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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I'm not happy with this. I waited on XP until they got over vista, and I'm still on 7 while I watch in bemusement at the windows 8.1 nonsense. Now, with windows 10, my security updates will come bundled with my unwanted OS changes. I doubt microsoft will let people opt out of unwanted cloud-based security risks or crazy interface experiments.

What do you like better in Windows 7 than 8.1? Seriously, I have been a long time OS X and Linux user, and 8.1 has won me back to the Microsoft fold. I still use Linux and OSX, but WIndows 8.1 is now something I frequently use. I was not impressed by Windows 7. So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7.

Windows shadows make it a lot easier to multitask with many small windows open.

Lack of depth in 8 makes it harder to figure out which window is in focus and which ones are on top of others.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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What will GetVersionEx start returning? dwMinorVersion is 32 bits wide, so Windows 10 can live for quite a while. I look forward to Windows 10.34124.

GetVersionEx is broken from Windows 8.1 onwards, they want developers to query the OS for functionality rather than check a version number. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms7...

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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What do you like better in Windows 7 than 8.1? Seriously, I have been a long time OS X and Linux user, and 8.1 has won me back to the Microsoft fold. I still use Linux and OSX, but WIndows 8.1 is now something I frequently use. I was not impressed by Windows 7. So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7.

I'm an Ubuntu Linux and OS X user and have been trying to like Windows 8.1 in the last weeks. The problems I have in no particular order ... - network management in Windows 7 was usable, whereas in 8.1 it is totally fucked - Microsoft accounts are on their way to become mandatory, as creating a regular account is not user friendly and there's a big and scary warning when you go that route; they are basically trying t…

I'm an Arch, OS X, and Windows user. I'm a developer in my day job, on the .net platform. I prefer Arch any day of the week, but I really like windows as well.

> network management in Windows 7 was usable, whereas in 8.1 it is totally fucked

I have zero problems with network management. It has not changed how you do it from the CLI, and the GUI is just different. If your definition of "totally fucked" includes "new GUI", then I'm not sure what to say. I agree that it's a step back from Windows 7, but saying it's totally fucked is downright wrong.

> Microsoft accounts are on their way to become mandatory, as creating a regular account is not user friendly and there's a big and scary warning when you go that route; they are basically trying to resurrect Windows Live ID

I was throughly against the Microsoft ID to start with, but for other reasons I had to get one and since I use multiple PCs it has actually been a positive experience for me. I see that as a good thing, and if you don't like it you can still create a local account. The warning is fair, because a lot of the new functionality depend on the MSID.

> Microsoft has started to force people on using their products - I could not figure out a way to turn OneDrive off completely

Nobody is forcing you to use OneDrive, it's a feature and if you don't like it don't use it. Simple as that. You either do not use a MSID as your login or disable it as this (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/onedrive/wiki/sdinstall-s...) MS article instructs. Just because you cannot remove an integral part of the OS because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad. It actually benefits a lot of people.

> or to use anything other than Bing as the search engine in their "Search Everywhere" (this also happens on Windows Phone)

And? Of course they want you to use Bing and not a competitor - I'm sure you'd be just as outraged if they offered a version of windows without bing for an extra cost.

> I haven't seen a "modern Windows" app that I like, they are all pieces of crap, including stuff from Microsoft; modern Skype for example is lacking crucial functionality; their app store is filled with trademark-violating malware and I've never seen such a low quality app store

Valid points. MS needs to step up their game, and developers need to take the Windows Store more serious.

> from a usability perspective Windows 8 is a failure - there's something inherently different about a PC with 21 inch monitors, keyboard and mouse, versus a tablet, yet Windows tries to unify both worlds, becoming hostile in the process - see this funny video on the subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

That simply is not true (that is a failure). The video is just a circlejerk full of hyperbole and the last 1m40s contains the essence of it. It was really hard to take it seriously. Yes the forced "Metro UI" was not good for desktop, fortunately it just meant an extra mouse click and it's gone. That is it, and MS even admitted it improved it a lot with 8.1 and Windows 10 is even more of an improvement as a result.

> of course, you can totally ignore the "modern Windows" side of the coin for now, except that's where Windows is headed

You obviously haven't really looked at the changes from 8 -> 8.1 -> 10, because they've, A: admitted that it was poor UI, B: toned it down a lot and committed to making it a good UI instead.

> I bought the standard edition, then I discovered that I needed the Pro version to get disk encryption or to connect to it through Remote Desktop; plus you need the Enterprise edition to make it boot from an USB stick - apparently Microsoft considers disk encryption and Remote Desktop to be meant for businesses and not for personal usage

Oh, so you didn't actually research what the different versions contain, you just assume it and somehow it's MS fault? Don't get me wrong, I think RPD server, and full disk encryption should be part of the standard edition, but that's a different talk.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The point is that all those cloud features are enabled by default and difficult to opt out of. I for one will not upgrade to Windows 10 until other people have identified all of the crappy cloud-based features (Microsoft Account, OneDrive/SkyDrive, Cortana, etc.) and written blogs on how to disable them permanently. Then I will do a clean install, disable all the crap, and only then connect the external drive that co…

But I'm sure it'll do wonders for their cloud service user engagement metrics. look how many people are using Bing / OneDrive / whatever

That's exactly the problem. The insightful videos on Microsoft's Channel 9 made it clear that they went crazy with Metrics since Windows XP. What they don't get or simply ignore are the huge user base of power users and developers that deactivate the "phone home metrics systems" in Windows XP and newer. That's why they introduced the Ribbons-menubar and Metro-/Modern-UI - they believed or tried what they wanted by using skewed statistics based on one-sided metrics.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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Future: Walk in to your home office, drop phone on desk, it connects wirelessly to your mouse, keyboard, monitor and home network. This was the original vision for Ubuntu Phone

And it will be glorious. Though I doubt we'll see it in the next 10 years in the phone formfactor. Tablets might be there soon, the Surface Pro certainly is close already.

Microsoft is doing it with win10...

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I'm not happy with this. I waited on XP until they got over vista, and I'm still on 7 while I watch in bemusement at the windows 8.1 nonsense. Now, with windows 10, my security updates will come bundled with my unwanted OS changes. I doubt microsoft will let people opt out of unwanted cloud-based security risks or crazy interface experiments.

>I doubt microsoft will let people opt out of unwanted cloud-based security risks or crazy interface experiments. you're wrong. IE/Edge has the same type of updating, and it can and ill always be opt-outable because of the enterprise.

Internet Explorer 11 had that automatic updates too.

But it shows that Microsoft changes things that I may or may not want. They changed the "F12" Developer Tools in a significant way, basically completely replaced it with a completely new version with its positive and negative sides. And they introduced a "Search web" Bing search search box directly on the "New Tab" page that cannot be changed or removed. It also ignores the default search provider is DDG and not Bing.

I really liked IE since v4 and used it ever since Windows 95 with IE4 shell upgrade that made Win95 look like Win98. But the new Microsoft is the same as the old one, maybe even worse given their software as a service mentality. I won't upgrade to Edge/IE12 and maybe not even to Win10. Win7 is perfectly fine until 2022. And afterwards maybe we all use Android or a Web based OS like Chromium/FirefoxOS and Microsoft screwed up their Windows to irrelevancy/legacy.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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This was news around January, I thought. Why are all the tech sites playing this up now? I feel like i could reply to half the top level posts with this link: http://blogs.windows.com/business/2015/01/30/windows-10-for-... >January 30, 2015 > this is much more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current via Windows Update for the supported lifetime of…

There are alternatives to "Windows 10 as a service" - WINE on Mac/Linux and ReactOS.

ReactOS is an attempt to build an open source version of Windows XP/7. It uses source code from WINE and it aims for better compatibility with legacy apps and drivers by developing a WinNT-like OS-Kernel: http://www.reactos.org/screenshots

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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>- of course, you can totally ignore the "modern Windows" side of the coin for now, except that's where Windows is headed It seems to me that they are backing off metro/"modern Windows" more and more. 8.1 made boot to Desktop the default, they are bringing back the start menu in 10 and Metro apps will run in windows in 10.

Nope, they're going even more in with Win10. Calc.exe is replaced with a shitty, functionally inferior version that takes 1-2 seconds to start. The metroization is all over with its terrible blurry font rendering and gimped settings.

I like to call it "consolification" as it seems apparent to me that this is where MS is heading with their OS.

Not long and Xbox and Windows will be identical. And sadly, it will be the Xbox that has the dominant genes, UI wise at least.

It is all over their corporate speak, too. "Life time of device" when discussing the upgrade cycle of the OS... What is the life time of my PC that I built myself out of many different vendors offerings?

I, too am a bit worried that all this cloud business is getting more and more traction. When I saw the big warning "Not recommended" when trying to create a normal user account and not one of these windows online account deals I though "You can't be serious". Why would it not be recommended to use a local account which was the norm for so long? Unless they already plan many changes to the OS which would leave users with local accounts in the dust so better to try and convert as many people to our online accounts as possible, they must think.

Either way, I am in the process of building a new rig. The old one didn't even have an i3/5/7 CPU to let you know how long I've been using my current PC. And on this new PC, Windows7 Ultimate will be running the show and I will be watching from the outside over the next 5 years minimum how this Win10 business develops. From my point of view they have 5 years to do a lot of 180s and actually make a Windows11 which will take the under-the-hood advancements of Win8-10 and plug that into Windows7 so we can actually have that Windows7 improvement we all want.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I'm an Ubuntu Linux and OS X user and have been trying to like Windows 8.1 in the last weeks. The problems I have in no particular order ... - network management in Windows 7 was usable, whereas in 8.1 it is totally fucked - Microsoft accounts are on their way to become mandatory, as creating a regular account is not user friendly and there's a big and scary warning when you go that route; they are basically trying t…

I thought Heroes of Might & Magic III was available for Linux anyway.

I have an "HD version" from Steam that isn't available on Linux. Though I bet it's usable with Wine. Path of Exile is a tricky one though, as it is more recent - BTW, if you loved Diablo 2, but hate Diablo 3, then try Path of Exile. It's very good and free of charge too - it's a pity that it runs on Windows only, but the company producing it is small, so I don't blame them.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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> So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7. No Metro crap jumping all over you. And that's why I likely will migrate over to Linux once MS stops Win7 support.

Just install classic shell ( http://www.classicshell.net/ ) and that will get rid of almost all Metro crap, as you say.

The fact that one has to install Classic shell even on Windows server versions speaks for itself.
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