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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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Anyone coming on HN and suggesting Microsoft is going to charge a monthly subscription for their OS is completely out of touch with reality.

Especially as it's already been announced that Windows 10 will be a free upgrade from pirated versions of Windows 7.

The upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 to Windows 10 will be free the first year. It won't be free in 2017!

It's still unclear if you get an upgrade license or a full license of Windows 10. The first one would mean, if you ever need to reinstall the PC/Notebook (harddisk/ssd crash), you would have to install Win7/8 and then upgrade to Win10 again (if the key allows that and is still valid in e.g. 2017).

ReactOS is an attempt that building an open source version of Windows XP/7. It uses source code from WINE and it aims for better compatibility with legacy apps by using a WinNT-like OS-Kernel: http://www.reactos.org

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I always get such a kick out of how silly this is. There is no reason people won't continue to have both mobile and desktop. When 'mobile' reaches the computer power of desktop, and screen size, and input, then it will be a desktop. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Future: Walk in to your home office, drop phone on desk, it connects wirelessly to your mouse, keyboard, monitor and home network. This was the original vision for Ubuntu Phone

And it will be glorious. Though I doubt we'll see it in the next 10 years in the phone formfactor. Tablets might be there soon, the Surface Pro certainly is close already.

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

It seems they're planning on selling your data, and locking you in to their other services. I recently tried out the Win10 tech preview. It's very very hard to disable internet searching whenever you try and find a file, and it's even worse to try and remove OneDrive. Granted, this is a tech preview, so disabling this will probably be a tiny bit easier in the future, but I think it gives an indication as to the direc…

Where are you getting that they're planning on selling your data? Source for this? From everything I've heard, they're doing the opposite.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

Office365/OneDrive are doing well too. Anecdotally, I and many of my peers and family have taken out $120/yr family subscriptions, which is probably pretty close to - if not erring on the higher side of - the annual cost of Windows OS amortised over the frequency with which I/they replaced or added computers. Amusingly, of 10+, I now only have one computing device running Windows at all (and it defaults to booting Ub…

Office365 is a subscription service and can get quite expensive - if one compares it to a traditional Office 2003 or 2010 (comparable) license that is often used for 5+ years.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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Nope, they're going even more in with Win10. Calc.exe is replaced with a shitty, functionally inferior version that takes 1-2 seconds to start. The metroization is all over with its terrible blurry font rendering and gimped settings.

YMMV, but I can't tell the difference between the font rendering in Metro apps and WPF apps (on a Retina MacBook Pro). I really like the typeface and rendering choices they've made and it's easy for me to read.

WPF apps also traditionally had shitty font rendering. The issue is that they are pixel unaware so at small sizes it blurs. On a HiDPI screen it's fine, as well as with larger font sizes. On the standard Windows DPI settings, it's terrible.

Pixel snapping and ClearType are what deliver sharp small fonts at the cost of less "accuracy" since the renderer may need to bump things around by half a pixel or so.

Some people don't care/notice or simply prefer the antialiased look. Up until Win 8/10, this was a choice at the system level, generally.

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I'm not happy with this. I waited on XP until they got over vista, and I'm still on 7 while I watch in bemusement at the windows 8.1 nonsense. Now, with windows 10, my security updates will come bundled with my unwanted OS changes. I doubt microsoft will let people opt out of unwanted cloud-based security risks or crazy interface experiments.

What do you like better in Windows 7 than 8.1? Seriously, I have been a long time OS X and Linux user, and 8.1 has won me back to the Microsoft fold. I still use Linux and OSX, but WIndows 8.1 is now something I frequently use. I was not impressed by Windows 7. So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7.

Windows 7 has a much better start menu, and it's easier to navigate the system - including the files and functions. period.

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I'm an Ubuntu Linux and OS X user and have been trying to like Windows 8.1 in the last weeks. The problems I have in no particular order ... - network management in Windows 7 was usable, whereas in 8.1 it is totally fucked - Microsoft accounts are on their way to become mandatory, as creating a regular account is not user friendly and there's a big and scary warning when you go that route; they are basically trying t…

I thought Heroes of Might & Magic III was available for Linux anyway.

There is also an Android version of M&M III and M&M II.

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> I can see consumers being annoyed have to pay every month to use the computer now. With the current versioned releases the consumer has a choice whether to pay for the upgrade or not. Yeah, I'm wondering if Canonical's marketing department is readying the champagne.

>2016 >Year of the linux desktop?

Seriously, the year of the Linux desktop was 2007. That's when netbooks came along and Microsoft actually had to compete on price for Windows.

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Entirely an enterprise play - gone are those firms that essentially say "we'll stick with XP". They'll either be forced into a subscription model or will switch off to another platform. This is also a huge win for not having the need to support super old OSes, which is a huge tax in not just support cost, but also testing and designing for backward compatibility.

I think this goes far and beyond Enterprise play or anything of that nature. There is a lot at stake here.

This is a response to a bigger paradigm shift that is the web and software as a service and Mobiles.

If you are on Windows XP and windows 7 rolls out, you have the option of upgrading, not upgrading or switching to a Mac (or similar).

Gmail versus outlook is another good example. With Outlook you would need to shell out big bucks and wait for the next major release. A three year release cycle has really got to suck for the team. If your team's major feature X didn't make it in the current release, you could very well end up waiting another three years. Gmail's releases by contrast are liberating.

The Chrome browser versus IE is another glaringly obvious misstep. One doesn't even care about version numbers anymore and releases indiscriminately while the other feels like an antiquated behemoth that rears it's ugly head every few years and then goes back into hibernation for years. It's a shame, really.

The mobile landscape has shifted to something similar. My upgrades on iOS come seamlessly and effortlessly. Apple can push whatever it wants down upgrade pipeline without costs.

For years desktop companies have relied on pushing the hardware limits to force users to upgrade their hardware, followed by the operating system and consequently all the software running atop that OS. It has been a tremendous boon for every Windows-based software company, almost guaranteeing fresh inflows every three years. So this is going to have an impact on the entire ecosystem.

From a developer's perspective:

Software rewrites cause regression. Microsoft has been regressing all over the place, for years now, most prominently with their Windows releases. For anyone who doesn't write software for a living, regression happens typically when you rewrite a piece of code and in doing so reintroduce old edge conditions or have to re-tweak all the features around it. Only after that does the new rewrite start paying dividends.

Continuous release cycles sidestep the regression issue to some extent by making the iterations smaller and the features less jarring for the users (Windows 7).

As a consumer:

I like the AppStore model because it doesn't charge me for versions (I know that might note bode well for developers because lifetime revenue per app becomes fairly static. A good friend of mine is just completing a rewrite of his app and his entire existing user base will probably end up getting it for free. However, this is still the option of IAP, product SKUs or subscription models).

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