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Not all mechanical keyboards are loud or clicky. I use one with Cherry Browns and mostly type without bottoming out the keys, and it's no louder than cheap keyboards.

I love the browns! But Blues are a lot more fun (and loud!) to program on ;)

Because loudness equates to competence?

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I am 55 and have been programming computers since 1975 when I was 15 years old. Do the math, I have been programming now for 40 years. Recently, I had a conversation with someone else about this topic and I told them that I have never been so excited about my career, the field of computer science, and most importantly the opportunities that exist today in the field of technology. The excitement surrounding too many t…

I'm approaching 50 and I think programming is more exciting now than it has ever been. There are so many interesting technologies out there that I want to learn, master, and use (e.g. Elixir, Erlang, Clojure, Swift, Lua, Haskell, and myriad frameworks).

I also like the way open source options have completely eliminated the necessity for me to work with commercial languages and technologies, which I always found a bit tedious.

It truly is an exciting time to be a software engineer. Barring any serious illness or accident, I'm looking forward to doing it for another 30 to 40 years.

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This. I see too many older developers who complain about ageism, but what's really going on is that they're essentially the same developer they were 2-3 years into their career. If you've been working in the industry for over 20 years, employers can and should expect that you've made the most of it. Those developers have very few problems with ageism. It's the ones that have become comfortable and stagnated that have…

I'm not a programmer anymore, so I don't have a horse in this race, but I cringe when people exhort older programmers to "stay current." If you're spending your free time learning about distributed databases, machine learning, cryptography--fields that existed in the 1990's but are more relevant and developed today because of the web--you're becoming a better programmer. If you're figuring out the latest "compile to…

One could also argue that it's better to interpret "stay current" as being about "learn new frameworks", but rather "learn important concepts and their applications."

One can write object oriented code (with clear modules and interfaces) in plain-old-C (see "C Interfaces and Implementations"), just as one can write Fortran in Ruby (and I don't mean by creating a DSL sensitive to positions of characters in a line).

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I guess what I read into that is similar to how you can consider television a "trap". It's easy to get sucked into and not think about anything else. I know that I spend a lot of time thinking about different software related stuff, I love it, but I would suspect (and i could be wrong) that the cashier working at burger king doesn't think about how they can ring things up faster, move between the pickup window and th…

They may not actually be going home. They may be going to a second job or school, seeing their kids for an hour in the evening, and then going to bed worried about paying bills. Low-wage jobs are their own cyclical trap, which can lead to not enough resources to improve your situation and apathy towards your day-to-day life. You can easily get stuck in a rut.

The low-wage thing was an example...

I don't think that neither the lawer nor the physician when they get home keep thinking about what their job...

For us coders is different, there was a question like: "What you think while you are coding ?" the majority of the answer was "nothing", the most part of my job is done when I am away from the keyboard, when I walk, dream, read, talk with other people...

I love it, but I am also scared that I am missing a whole word just because I am too focus on computer for a not even too long while...

Re: I would have hired Doug, but...

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I am 55 and have been programming computers since 1975 when I was 15 years old. Do the math, I have been programming now for 40 years. Recently, I had a conversation with someone else about this topic and I told them that I have never been so excited about my career, the field of computer science, and most importantly the opportunities that exist today in the field of technology. The excitement surrounding too many t…

I'm 46 and super excited about coding and learning new stuff even after 26 years. I feel no different to my 25 year old work mates.

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It's a ridiculous term which I suppose is supposed to make people feel less guilty about having extremely comfortable, high paying, and overall relatively easy jobs, when they know that millions of others are struggling in jobs they hate, are drastically underpaid, or can't even find jobs. A common version of this is to complain about a lack of vacation time (even though you have 4 weeks, plus holidays, plus sick tim…

I thought golden handcuffs were typically referring to vesting options in a company. I know I have friends that don't want to resign themselves to a life of programming/software engineering/whatever you want to call it because they see a ceiling to their compensation, or career path. Theres only so many numbers they can tack on to your title before it becomes meaningless.

I go back and forth on this. There's always a ceiling. For a doctor, banker, corporate lawyer, or salesperson, the ceiling is some multiple higher. But are they better jobs? An MD would require many years of study first, a law degree would burn $100k of your net worth and likely leave you underemployed, you're probably not cut out for sales, and so on.

You really only escape the ceiling going into business for yourself. And there probably has never been a time where it's easier to go into business than the last decade, because of the relatively low cost and high reward of developing software. Maybe that's why programmers are often restless, because the path to wealth seems close at hand (even when it's much harder than it seems, and requires many more skills than just programming).

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They may not actually be going home. They may be going to a second job or school, seeing their kids for an hour in the evening, and then going to bed worried about paying bills. Low-wage jobs are their own cyclical trap, which can lead to not enough resources to improve your situation and apathy towards your day-to-day life. You can easily get stuck in a rut.

The low-wage thing was an example... I don't think that neither the lawer nor the physician when they get home keep thinking about what their job... For us coders is different, there was a question like: "What you think while you are coding ?" the majority of the answer was "nothing", the most part of my job is done when I am away from the keyboard, when I walk, dream, read, talk with other people... I love it, but I…

Your view of the tech field sounds a little pompous. Medical and law are well known life-consuming professions.

I think any dedicated professional will have issues at some point unplugging themselves from their profession to pursue other facets of life.

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I am 55 and have been programming computers since 1975 when I was 15 years old. Do the math, I have been programming now for 40 years. Recently, I had a conversation with someone else about this topic and I told them that I have never been so excited about my career, the field of computer science, and most importantly the opportunities that exist today in the field of technology. The excitement surrounding too many t…

I am 57, been programming professionally since '79, still doing it on a part-time basis, which is perfect for me. Taught me some Angular awhile back. RethinkDB looks interesting. I agree with all who have said that now is the best it's ever been for a dev; web, OSS, cloud, so much power and leverage. I can't see myself not doing some software development well into the future.

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I am 55 and have been programming computers since 1975 when I was 15 years old. Do the math, I have been programming now for 40 years. Recently, I had a conversation with someone else about this topic and I told them that I have never been so excited about my career, the field of computer science, and most importantly the opportunities that exist today in the field of technology. The excitement surrounding too many t…

I'm 46 and super excited about coding and learning new stuff even after 26 years. I feel no different to my 25 year old work mates.

Exactly. Remember that disease called 'progeria', where a young person ages physically to be old in like 20 years? Yet they still feel like a 20-year-old? That's me, except it took 50 years to get here.

I.e. There are plenty of 20-somethings that learn one tool and don't want to switch. Don't blame age on a 50-year-old being stuck using the tools they know; blame the person.

Re: I would have hired Doug, but...

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I love the browns! But Blues are a lot more fun (and loud!) to program on ;)

Because loudness equates to competence?

Just a feeling of productivity, from producing so much noise. But it really is satisfying, if you haven't tried it.

And I've found that you start wanting to type faster, to create even more noise. So it might actually make you more productive, in a weird way.

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