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Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by rjaco31 »

dfabulich wrote: post #3
dest wrote: post #2

"Facebook expects partner services to be optimized for smartphones and feature phones, and be free from JavaScript or SSL/TLS/HTTPS elements" No HTTPS? Really??

Facebook does NOT have to follow this rule today in its zero-rated India service. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/platform-t... > Your service will be proxied by Internet.org. Since we cannot support SSL, TLS, or HTTPS as part of proxying, your content or service should not rely on passing or collecting encrypted information — resources that do so will not be accessible within Internet.org or will b…

You would be amazed by the number of webmails that still offer plain HTTP on their login page, and yet people use them. I'd say it's better than no Internet.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by philippnagel »

nphyte wrote: post #20
philippnagel wrote: post #10

Does someone want to partner up to create the Internet.org that should have been?

That depends on what you have in mind and what principals one doesn't compromise on?

What principals would you like to see?

I would go for something like this:

· Non-profit · Only enable full access, do not monitor traffic, restrict access, etc. · Distribution off access through sim-cards (?)

Thoughts?

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by nphyte »

philippnagel wrote: post #32
nphyte wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on what you have in mind and what principals one doesn't compromise on?

What principals would you like to see? I would go for something like this: · Non-profit · Only enable full access, do not monitor traffic, restrict access, etc. · Distribution off access through sim-cards (?) Thoughts?

Well finding a sustainable affable way to make money to sustain operations is essential. Offcourse privacy is important however providing access to the non biased internet should be a priority.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by madez »

matt4077 wrote: post #30
madez wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a business. Don't be naive. They don't care for poor people, they care about getting money. They are even obligated to do so. Don't expect business to solve all issues for humanity, because they won't. A government is needed to take responsability we don't want to entrust business with and to do necessary things no business wants to do, and it needs to be strong to be able to do it even if business oppose…

The are not "obligated to do so". It's a myth that a business can't pursue anything but short-term gains. Executives have a lot of leeway in how they conduct their affairs and the only thing that can stop them is the board, which is often dominated by the founders, a few large investors or the CxOs anyway. Remember "corporations are people, my friend?". If that idea can't be stopped, it should be coopted to imply tha…

Business might benefit poor people, however, "people like me" say that we can't entrust business to care, nor can we expect them to.

I don't think business should care about money first, but life is not about what we wish to be true.

Not all obligations are legal. The market puts pressure on business to care about money.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by ignoramous »

madez wrote: post #15
pmontra wrote: post #6

Better than their first attempt but still not the real thing. If you want to give internet for free to some people there are no alternatives than paying them a full blown data connection with no artificial limits. I believe that my original comment of 2 weeks ago is still relevant: "Dear Mark, this open-to-ISP initiative is one way to look at what you're doing. Another one is closed-to-most-of-the-Internet. Let's tur…

Facebook is a business. Don't be naive. They don't care for poor people, they care about getting money. They are even obligated to do so. Don't expect business to solve all issues for humanity, because they won't. A government is needed to take responsability we don't want to entrust business with and to do necessary things no business wants to do, and it needs to be strong to be able to do it even if business oppose…

And I was sat there thinking .org domains are reserved for non-profits.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by madez »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #14
nphyte wrote: post #5

Can someone talk about why no SSL, HTTPS etc. Wth happened to we care abut your privacy?

Incompatible with provider caching.

Why not disable encryption selectively for sites where caching makes the most difference like Wikipedia and leave encryption enabled in more sensitive areas like personal communication where caching makes much less difference anyway?

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by aestetix »

aestetix wrote: post #13
nphyte wrote: post #5

Can someone talk about why no SSL, HTTPS etc. Wth happened to we care abut your privacy?

To be fair, this is consistent with Facebook's track record on privacy...

For whoever downvoted this comment, I would love to know why.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by icebraining »

ignoramous wrote: post #35
madez wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a business. Don't be naive. They don't care for poor people, they care about getting money. They are even obligated to do so. Don't expect business to solve all issues for humanity, because they won't. A government is needed to take responsability we don't want to entrust business with and to do necessary things no business wants to do, and it needs to be strong to be able to do it even if business oppose…

And I was sat there thinking .org domains are reserved for non-profits.

Nope, that was the original intention, but it's not been restricted for a long time, if it ever was.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by myhf »

pshinghal wrote: post #16
userbinator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My completely-uninformed guess is that they don't want people to tunnel out to the real Internet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9203946 Although I suppose a bit of steganography is enough... Edit: steganography, not stenography.

Did you mean steganography?

You can tunnel through stenography, but it's very slow.

Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns

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Post by philippnagel »

nphyte wrote: post #33
philippnagel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What principals would you like to see? I would go for something like this: · Non-profit · Only enable full access, do not monitor traffic, restrict access, etc. · Distribution off access through sim-cards (?) Thoughts?

Well finding a sustainable affable way to make money to sustain operations is essential. Offcourse privacy is important however providing access to the non biased internet should be a priority.

Definitely.

We should think about an innovative business model or employ traditional non-profit funding methods. You can e-mail me at phil@philippnagel.com if you wish.

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