Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
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Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#2"Facebook expects partner services to be optimized for smartphones and feature phones, and be free from JavaScript or SSL/TLS/HTTPS elements"
No HTTPS? Really??
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#3"Facebook expects partner services to be optimized for smartphones and feature phones, and be free from JavaScript or SSL/TLS/HTTPS elements" No HTTPS? Really??
Facebook does NOT have to follow this rule today in its zero-rated India service.
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/platform-t...
> Your service will be proxied by Internet.org. Since we cannot support SSL, TLS, or HTTPS as part of proxying, your content or service should not rely on passing or collecting encrypted information — resources that do so will not be accessible within Internet.org or will be dropped altogether. While we would prefer to support fully encrypted connections between user and website in all cases, proxying for third-party sites does not allow for this in its current implementation without introducing man-in-the-middle capabilities.
Catch that? They can proxy HTTPS for themselves, but they won't proxy HTTPS for "third-party sites."
Thus, Internet.org isn't even neutral between Facebook and other developers; Facebook gets special HTTPS treatment that nobody else can get!
Related, in an interview on Scroll.in: http://scroll.in/article/724975/facebook-opens-up-internet-o...
> Q: Isn’t it strange that Internet.org wants to offer free basic services but has no email?
> A: If an email provider wants to comply with the platform guidelines that we are announcing, Internet.org would be glad to have it.
Well, yeah, but if that means someone would have to offer email service without HTTPS, so anybody can read my email unencrypted or even send email as me, is that even useful?
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#4"Facebook expects partner services to be optimized for smartphones and feature phones, and be free from JavaScript or SSL/TLS/HTTPS elements" No HTTPS? Really??
It looks to be related to the above paragraph:
“Websites that require high-bandwidth will not be included. Services should not use VoIP, video, file transfer, high resolution photos, or high volume of photos.” — Facebook points out that operators are giving up resources for the project for free, so this is a limit to prevent them totally being taken to the cleaners.
Perhaps HTTPS is too heavy for the large number of users on such crippled networks?
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#5Can someone talk about why no SSL, HTTPS etc. Wth happened to we care abut your privacy?
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#6Better than their first attempt but still not the real thing. If you want to give internet for free to some people there are no alternatives than paying them a full blown data connection with no artificial limits.
I believe that my original comment of 2 weeks ago is still relevant:
"Dear Mark, this open-to-ISP initiative is one way to look at what you're doing. Another one is closed-to-most-of-the-Internet. Let's turn it into an open-to-all-Internet initiative (web sites, mail, etc - all protocols), with no other costs for service providers (web sites, etc) than the amount of money they're paying to get online right now. Then I'll believe you're really trying to help those poor people by giving them free access to the full Internet, not only to what you think they must be allowed to access. Forgive me if I'm skeptical about how unbiased you are about it. Thanks."
(Edit: typo)
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#7This makes it seem more like a Internet.org is just a technical decision rather than Facebook trying to become the "new Internet" in emerging countries. However, I don't think this alleviates the net neutrality problems at all.
Too many types of Internet services are being excluded, which means it will inevitably create a "two-tier" Internet. There will be the 80-percenters in India who will only have access to "info sites" and then the 20-percenters who will be able do everything else. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if it was a temporary 10-year solution. But what if this becomes permanent?
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#8I saw an article today, and it made me think right away of this whole mess;
http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/05/04/report-facebook-to...
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#9"Facebook expects partner services to be optimized for smartphones and feature phones, and be free from JavaScript or SSL/TLS/HTTPS elements" No HTTPS? Really??
It looks to be related to the above paragraph: “Websites that require high-bandwidth will not be included. Services should not use VoIP, video, file transfer, high resolution photos, or high volume of photos.” — Facebook points out that operators are giving up resources for the project for free, so this is a limit to prevent them totally being taken to the cleaners. Perhaps HTTPS is too heavy for the large number of…
Maybe the service providers are caching heavily, and that's impossible with HTTPS? That seems likely, but I don't know a ton about the protocol.
Re: Facebook Opens Internet․Org to All Developers Due to Net Neutrality Concerns
#10Does someone want to partner up to create the Internet.org that should have been?