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Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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>And I think it’s interesting to explore how unusual that is relative to many other areas of technology, because there are so many innovations that were good for society but the people who came up with them ended up with very little. Okay, co-founders sometimes end up with a fair amount money. However, early employees that actually built the company are often forgotten and given a relatively small sum of money. Not s…

Early employees of Google and Facebook made pretty good money.

Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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That point about employees not having friends at work being at risk is true in my case - if I don't have friends where I work I don't feel at home, and am indeed more likely to leave. Which is a force for anti-diversity, since I only rarely make friends with Asians (of either sort). And I'd bet that this is the rule, not the exception.

Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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"Try to hire people you could become friends with" seems like a really bad idea from the discrimination point of view, since people are most likely to view someone of the same race, age, and gender as a potential friend.

"You try to hire people you could become friends with" is a profoundly stupid maxim. People who come from conservative and religious societies will always be pressured by friends to not make new friends who are of different ethnicities. Thiel is basically ensuring each company Will become a little Island of segregation and this is what I have seen in the bay area: companies that are 90% Indian, 90% Chinese, or 90% wh…

I come from a conservative background and I've never been discouraged from hanging out with different ethnicities and cultures. We are not the strawmen you apparently think we are.

Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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> They’ve done studies at Harvard Business School where they’ve found that the largest cohort always went into the wrong field. So in 1989, they all went to work for Michael Milken, a year or two before he went to jail. They were never interested in Silicon Valley except for 1999, 2000. They're interested in Silicon Valley now. Here's an actual conversation I had recently with a business school student (not verbatim…

Obviously, the person from your anecdote is representative of MBAs in general, right? If not, what's the point of the comment? I have a stupid conversation with someone from some occupation every day.

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The problem comes when MBAs, generally without technical background, build companies without real value and expand an already existing bubble.

What about MBAs WITH technical backgrounds? Are they allowed to build companies?

I get the impression from HN commentary that the minute you receive your MBA you become a sociopath whose IQ drops 40 points.

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What's wrong with that? IMO wanting to be an entrepreneur is one of the best reasons to start a company :)

Most of these people (not all of whom are MBAs) just want to be bosses, not entrepreneurs. Their goal is to be executives ("big picture guys") shouting orders, not worker bees, but they don't have the social resources to make it happen in an existing company so they drum up some seed funding and hire some engineers (usually, scraping the bottom) and try to kick something together. It doesn't work very often. "I want…

It starts even earlier than business school, with the kids who campaign to be president of ten different school clubs just for the sake of being in a leadership position and being able to put it on their resumes. American culture really encourages this shallow sort of leadership by entitlement, while truly great leaders almost always earn their authority through a medium to long period of hard work side by side with other people, not necessarily as a follower, but at least as an equal.

Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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Something I found very interesting was Peter's comment: "You try to hire people you could become friends with." I contrast this with Zuckerberg's approach to only hiring people that he would work for ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2015/03... ). It's probably not fair to put these side-by-side due to context, but Peter's approach resonates with me now. Here's how I reconcile this: Peter's "frie…

"Try to hire people you could become friends with" seems like a really bad idea from the discrimination point of view, since people are most likely to view someone of the same race, age, and gender as a potential friend.

Hiring indiscriminately doesn't sound so great either.

Re: Peter Thiel on what works at work (2014)

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Something I found very interesting was Peter's comment: "You try to hire people you could become friends with." I contrast this with Zuckerberg's approach to only hiring people that he would work for ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2015/03... ). It's probably not fair to put these side-by-side due to context, but Peter's approach resonates with me now. Here's how I reconcile this: Peter's "frie…

"Try to hire people you could become friends with" seems like a really bad idea from the discrimination point of view, since people are most likely to view someone of the same race, age, and gender as a potential friend.

I think this advice was given with the assumption that the receiver is an intelligent human being.

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"Try to hire people you could become friends with" seems like a really bad idea from the discrimination point of view, since people are most likely to view someone of the same race, age, and gender as a potential friend.

Regardless of gender or ethnicity, if everyone you hire is a 20-something graduate of the same top-10 CS programmes what you get is... Google+ (or Wave or Buzz...) Diversity means you don't get trapped in an echo chamber.

Wave was not by a 20-something but by a 40-something. Age has nothing to do with that (the 40-something that lead Wave also created Maps)

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"Try to hire people you could become friends with" seems like a really bad idea from the discrimination point of view, since people are most likely to view someone of the same race, age, and gender as a potential friend.

"You try to hire people you could become friends with" is a profoundly stupid maxim. People who come from conservative and religious societies will always be pressured by friends to not make new friends who are of different ethnicities. Thiel is basically ensuring each company Will become a little Island of segregation and this is what I have seen in the bay area: companies that are 90% Indian, 90% Chinese, or 90% wh…

I come from an incredibly conservative family (literally had pictures of Reagan and Cheney on the wall) and they had no problems with my engagement to an Hispanic woman.
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