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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by cm2187 » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 5:35 AM UTC

orionblastar wrote: post #397

cm2187 wrote: post #361

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I don't know if he is an idiot but it is under his watch that someone signed off on windows 8, thinking hum, customers are going to love that.

The problem that Ballmer made in Windows 8 and Windows RT was in making the GUI for desktops and mobile devices the same. Steve Jobs on the other hand already learned in 2002 that the desktop GUI won't work on a mobile device and set out to create a new GUI for mobile devices that led to the iPhone and iPad that was different from the Macintosh GUI. I think Steve Jobs saw the Windows XP based tablets that Microsoft m…

I think it is more problematic than that. It takes only a few minutes of using Windows 8 on a desktop to realise it was a terrible idea. Like when you right click and the context menu appears at the bottom of the screen. They clearly haven't tried that with a mouse on a 4k monitor.

They reversed most of these moronic design decisions in 8.1 and the 10 preview, but they kept some (hopefully they will be fixed before they release). Like instead of having notifications (like "An update is available", "Restart is needed") appearing discretely at the bottom right of the screen they now take up the entire screen. Since Vista they should know better than their customers are trying to use their OS to do things, to work. Customers are not fascinated with the system and having the system interrupting them all the time is a terrible idea.

It doesn't take a PhD in UX to realise that.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by unicornporn » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 5:40 AM UTC

snambi wrote: post #457

Microsoft is a shameless company. They used to attack Linux, GNU and GPL. Now, suddenly they want to be friends with Linux. Why? It has everything to do with money. Today windows is getting less relevant day by day. So, microsoft is trying to put their into Linux and Mac.

Shameless? They are a listed company. Listed companies have one goal: to make money. They will do whatever they think will make them the most money in the end.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by scope » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 5:41 AM UTC

alfredxing wrote: post #70

daigoba66 wrote: post #33

I'm curious about how the editor itself was built. Is it itself written with cross-platform .NET? And if so, what UI library? Edit: Got my answer. Electron and TypeScript: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/593454574297427968

It'll be interesting to see what the performance is like, since this has been a recurring problem with web-tech based applications (especially editors like Atom and Brackets).

that was my thought too, testing it on my MBP - like Brackets and Atom, it showed up in `Apps Using Significant Energy`

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by ghshephard » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 5:43 AM UTC

notsony wrote: post #378

MCRed wrote: post #347

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It's an "arbitrary" number in the sense that it is the revers of the previous industry standard in the mobile space which was 70/30 in favor of the Carrier. Often times developers would get less than %30 of the revenue for their products. And they had many more hoops to jump thru to get to the market, could only even get a meeting to try and get on mobile devices if they were already a large company, and had to work…

The Internet democratized the entire software industry by allowing developers to sell direct to customers. You would no longer have to beg CompUSA to carry your boxed software in store. Before the rise of the App Stores, you could use Kagi or eSellerate to sell your software for 8-12%, or you could use PayPal, WorldPay, 2Checkout for 2-4%. Things are even cheaper and easier now with Braintree, Stripe, etc. Apple char…

Apple could not care less about that $99 fee. It is 100% immaterial to them beyond the function that it is attempting to server - act as a minimum bar of entry to the developer program.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by nailer » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 5:56 AM UTC

davexunit wrote: post #379

nailer wrote: post #368

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Neither Epic (I've contributed to UE) or Microsoft assert their products are Open Source, merely 'open'.

And they do that explicitly to confuse people. What they do isn't open, it's smoke and mirrors.

Actually I think only MS say open. Epic says free.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by justin66 » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 6:01 AM UTC

brudgers wrote: post #346

vorg wrote: post #336

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> Windows 10 reflects the strategic decisions embodied in Vista Hope you mean "embodied in Windows 8". I still remember the day I replaced my Vista PC with one running Windows 7, and wondering why the OS was booting so fast. I doubt "Vista" was strategic in any way, more incompetent management, but would agree "Windows 8" had strategic considerations behind it.

Vista broke with DOS and 16bit code. It elevated security. It required better hardware. It moved x64 toward the mainstream. The architecture of the OS was brought forward a decade. Tick. Windows 7 was a refinement of Vista. Tock. Windows 8 was a new interface and a step toward multi platform, e.g. ARM. Tick. Windows 10 is a full on multiplatform assault. Tock. Running a big company is nontrivial. Microsoft's manageme…

> Vista broke with DOS and 16bit code.

This is completely wrong in a couple of ways.

Vista popularized 64-bit Windows, and 16-bit WoW (responsible for running 16 bit Windows programs) never made it to 64-bit Windows. This was true for the earlier Windows XP 64-bit, and it has been true for every 64-bit Windows that followed. So there's always been some confusion on this point, but note: 16-bit WoW exists even today on 32-bit versions of Windows 8. Today you have to enable it explicitly, but it is available.

Also, the NT-based versions of Windows never included DOS. They were never "with" DOS such that they'd need to "break with" DOS. The last Windows that included a version of DOS was Windows ME. The last Windows that included a version of DOS which anyone ever willingly used was Windows 98.

> Windows 10 is a full on multiplatform assault.

It's a pretty modest number of platforms compared to all those supported by NT in the late nineties. Although it will probably end up running on a lot more devices...

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by x4m » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 6:03 AM UTC

jmcqk6 wrote: post #225

ijoyce wrote: post #68

Tell me about the R# support. That's the only thing making VS usable.

Resharper probably isn't going to run on here. Resharper has definitely been a requirement in the past, but Jetbrains seems to be slow to embrace Rosylen, which is clearly the future on .NET. It's not at all clear to be how long they're going to remain in their dominant position.

Well, future is not clear yet; but right now VS is a shell to host R#.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by stass » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 6:20 AM UTC

The title is misleading. It only works on Windows, OS X and Linux. It does not support any other OSes at all.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by fetbaffe » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 6:22 AM UTC

visarga wrote: post #458

emodendroket wrote: post #279

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Notepad uses very little memory; maybe you could use that instead.

Nah. Notepad doesn't even show line numbers. How hard would that have been to display the line and column?

If they fixed that and LF line ednings we would have a winner.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Intermernet » Thu, Apr 30, 2015, 6:30 AM UTC

clebio wrote: post #252

zaphar wrote: post #242

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MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

Have a look at the list of projects here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ and see how many are probably going to be profitable in the next couple of decades. It's actually pretty amazing how much research Microsoft fund that seems unrelated to any of their current product lines.

I think MS Research would be a pretty amazing place to work.