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It depends on the instructor and the way the university is set up. I had classes as an undergrad which the professor had literally been teaching for decades - these guys hadn't spent time on a lesson plan since before the Beatles broke up. And they had grad students to grade papers and tests, plus teaching assistants the students were expected to see first before bothering the professor. The test questions were just…
You had one professor who had a system worked out. How did the rest of your professors handle their workload? I too had a few professors that had it all figured out, a lot that were hard-working professionals, and a few that struggled to be on time to class. Much like anywhere in life.
The Slow Death of the University
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Re: The Slow Death of the University
#72The university is not dead. People who are going to inferior schools want to make this logic a fact.
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Yet, they largely have a reputation as incapable of critical thought. When an archeology professor is talking about critical thought they mean an argument capable of convincing people. Technical people may view this as sloppy thinking as a transistor does not care what you think, but it’s a very valuable skill. It's not just useful for convincing other, but also to notice when you’re being manipulated. PS: With this…
> It's not just useful for convincing other, but also to notice when you’re being manipulated. In my experience (having started uni in the humanities), this way of thinking (which is how most people think) actually makes you more susceptible to manipulation, not less, because you're basically trained to think that a convincing argument and a valid argument are the same thing. Which really is how most people perceive…
For example just the other day I (a programmer) was trying to explain to a friend of mine the concept of "Cargo cult programmers" and about how an initially good idea (agile programming) had been taken over and perverted by outside consultants and "professional managers". Said friend works in sales and I think she once mentioned to me the "sell me this pen" thingie.
And about people and institutions still living in the 19th century, I'm now reading a book on the 1830s Saint-Simon movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Simonianism) written by an academia darling, French philosopher Jacques Rancière. I don't know how to put it in words, but to me it seems like Rancière would have preferred for the world to have stopped right then and there, i.e. in the 19th century, when bourgeois people had just taken over from the aristocracy and they could look from above at the peasants and workers that stood below them. He (Rancière) is of course trying to be sympathetic to the workers he writes about in his book, but one feels that he's being sympathetic from outside their world, worse yet, from above their world. More than that, there's this feeling of him mocking their (the workers') belief in an better future and improved social relations, especially when talking about Fourierism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourierism). It reminded me of people who not so long ago were still mocking open source.
And last but not least, and it pains me to say it, but I'm afraid that open data (the idea, the concept) is dead. Somehow the forces that be managed to kill it (I'm thinking Google post-2007 or so, FB since its inception, Twitter in the last couple of years, just to name the biggest). It's strange about how no-one wants to bring this subject up for discussion anymore, it's like a foregone conclusion by now.
Re: The Slow Death of the University
#74"It would also seek to restore the honorable lineage of the university as one of the few arenas in modern society (another is the arts) in which prevailing ideologies can be submitted to some rigorous scrutiny." Then the battle is lost, because universities, at least in the USA, are the home of "free speech areas" and not letting people speak who a group disagrees with. When people are talking about "safe areas" to p…
Then the battle is lost, because universities, at least
in the USA, are the home of "free speech areas" and not
letting people speak who a group disagrees with.
STEM is often criticized as unwelcoming, but humanities
has become a place of "agree with me" or be condemned.
It is a mistake to assume that this is a localized phenomenon limited to the United States. Lately - and as somewhat of a testament to how disturbingly uniform and inauthentic, millenial culture has become everywhere - the same kind of intolerance for
discordant views can be seen on campuses from Canada to the UK.I'll leave you with an excellent write up on the topic of this brand of groupthink and shutting down opposing views, on campuses, by Brendan O'Neill in The Spectator :
Have you met the Stepford students? They’re everywhere.
On campuses across the land. Sitting stony-eyed in lecture
halls or surreptitiously policing beer-fuelled banter in
the uni bar. They look like students, dress like students,
smell like students. But their student brains have been
replaced by brains bereft of critical faculties and
programmed to conform. To the untrained eye, they seem
like your average book-devouring, ideas-discussing,
H&M-adorned youth, but anyone who’s spent more than five
minutes in their company will know that these students are
far more interested in shutting debate down than opening
it up. [1]
[1] Free speech is so last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9376232/free-speech-is-s...
Re: The Slow Death of the University
#75For example, people buying into the internet-crazy think that everything can be replaced by the Internet. Media companies (music, cinema, book publishing) were supposed to be dead at least a decade ago. It turns out that in reality they are bigger than before. What people forget is that the Internet doesn't create things by itself. Good movies will continue to be produced by specialized companies, good books will continue to be published by specialized publishers, and so on. Only the technology changes, but human needs continue the same.
Similarly, universities will be just fine in a century or more. They will adapt to the new technologies and continue to produce knowledge as they have done before.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lawyers are probably a big one. Most people think they spend all day in the courtroom, but many lawyers never set foot in a courtroom. Instead, their days are spent meeting with clients and preparing documents: their job is to translate the plain-English requirements of what the clients want to agree upon into legalese that has specific meaning in court.
So law is in a way programming?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not just useful for convincing other, but also to notice when you’re being manipulated. In my experience (having started uni in the humanities), this way of thinking (which is how most people think) actually makes you more susceptible to manipulation, not less, because you're basically trained to think that a convincing argument and a valid argument are the same thing. Which really is how most people perceive…
Thank you for this comment, it really put into words things that have been passing through my head constantly in the last couple of months, without me being able to put them down in writing as well as you did. For example just the other day I (a programmer) was trying to explain to a friend of mine the concept of "Cargo cult programmers" and about how an initially good idea (agile programming) had been taken over and…
Re: The Slow Death of the University
#78This is only mildly related to the article, but does anyone else have difficulty imagining what others' jobs are? For example, I'm just young enough to remember a time when I thought a programmer was someone who hid in a closet to slam at a keyboard for nine hours a day, but that notion was only corrected by entering the workforce. What about my other misconceptions? There's no way to learn about all of them firsthan…
...but... that's what literary theorists literally do, isn't it? Read books and articles and write about them, and attend meetings. Having spent a reasonably long time in the University system (as a student, mind), I have a general idea of what everyone does and why. On the other hand, I really don't understand what a lot people in the tech industry do. I have a friend who works for some kind of 'data analysis' compa…
It's up to the employee to find their way to that 20% that's real work. If wanted it's definitely possible to find that 20% and be /truly/ worked to the max. But it doesn't just happen.
Re: The Slow Death of the University
#79"It would also seek to restore the honorable lineage of the university as one of the few arenas in modern society (another is the arts) in which prevailing ideologies can be submitted to some rigorous scrutiny." Then the battle is lost, because universities, at least in the USA, are the home of "free speech areas" and not letting people speak who a group disagrees with. When people are talking about "safe areas" to p…
I understand what you're getting at, but some people really do have PTSD, and some speeches really do contain things like graphic recountings of abuse. Should those people just not attend university? (I'm actually undecided.)
Re: The Slow Death of the University
#80"It would also seek to restore the honorable lineage of the university as one of the few arenas in modern society (another is the arts) in which prevailing ideologies can be submitted to some rigorous scrutiny." Then the battle is lost, because universities, at least in the USA, are the home of "free speech areas" and not letting people speak who a group disagrees with. When people are talking about "safe areas" to p…
Then the battle is lost, because universities, at least in the USA, are the home of "free speech areas" and not letting people speak who a group disagrees with. STEM is often criticized as unwelcoming, but humanities has become a place of "agree with me" or be condemned. It is a mistake to assume that this is a localized phenomenon limited to the United States. Lately - and as somewhat of a testament to how disturbin…
Also, doesn't the constant talk of debate and free exchange of ideas rather presuppose a form of antirealism about everything under the sun? After all, we don't talk about a free exchange of ideas on the laws of motion. You can be accurate or incorrect about those.