‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by NovaS1X » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:42 PM UTC

curiousphil wrote: post #43

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #42

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>There are two kinds of jobs that robots will have a hard time replacing: Three - add anything which is primarily social. I think hairdressing will be one of the most resilient jobs. Not only is there a huge market for it, but it requires a certain basic level of dexterity, and it's primarily social. The talking is at least as important as the hair cutting, and it's going to be a while before robots can replace it.

Makes me happy I learned the trade of barbering in my dad's barbershop as a teenager. There is still a part of me that some day would like to unglue myself from the computer and return to the shop.

I understand your feelings. A part of me wants to unglue from the computer and be a baker.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by enlightenedfool » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:44 PM UTC

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

replace "automatons" with "foreign workers" and this economy is already in place in USA. It doesn't seem like pleasant to the humans at the apex.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by ArkyBeagle » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:48 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #16

nosuchthing wrote: post #13

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...If we build framework to support such an economy, it may be possible.

That's the crux of the issue. It seems that the current economy will rather drive itself to the ground, taking all of humanity with it, rather than transitioning itself to a different value system. It looks like the post-scarcity world is not on the phase-space trajectory we're currently following.

It's hubris to say this, but we're not as far off as you might think.

If "they" can fix economics ( big if ) that alone would make a big difference. But the US only got off the gold standard in my lifetime.

There's a Churchill quote about Americans; I think it generalizes to humans - "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities."

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by eternauta3k » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:48 PM UTC

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #42

tjradcliffe wrote: post #36

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Thanks for the nice summary. No way was I going to click on a headline that read like this one! There are two kinds of jobs that robots will have a hard time replacing: these sorts of high-skill, creative, intution-and-experience heavy tasks; and low-skill but mechancially awkward tasks. In both cases, the key to job survival will be that it's something of a niche. Anything remotely generic will be taken over by mach…

>There are two kinds of jobs that robots will have a hard time replacing: Three - add anything which is primarily social. I think hairdressing will be one of the most resilient jobs. Not only is there a huge market for it, but it requires a certain basic level of dexterity, and it's primarily social. The talking is at least as important as the hair cutting, and it's going to be a while before robots can replace it.

There's probably a market for very cheap, simple silent haircuts.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by frandroid » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:50 PM UTC

abduhl wrote: post #19

frandroid wrote: post #15

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To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

Of course there's been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little. Plantation owners used to work their slaves from dawn till dusk for nothing. Farmers used to work the land from sun up to sun down just to feed their family. What a ridiculous question. Why do so many people think that times have never been so bad when, in all honesty, times have never been so good?

Worldwide, there are more people in slavery today than there was when slavery was legal. Plus all kinds of manufacturing quasi-slavery in south and south-east asia with crazy hours.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by frandroid » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:51 PM UTC

brc wrote: post #24

frandroid wrote: post #15

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To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

It's not clear. Are you advocating for socialism?

Yes; but even less radically so, I'm thinking about Keynes' failed predictions.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by frandroid » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:52 PM UTC

infinite8s wrote: post #30

brc wrote: post #24

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It's not clear. Are you advocating for socialism?

Capitalism is a method for distributing scarce resources. Remove the scarcity and you remove the need for capitalism.

It's a terrible method.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by lukeschlather » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 10:53 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #29

> “If there is ever a technology that’s flawless and could always make perfect products, then we will be ready and willing to install that machine,” Kawai said. “There’s no machine that is eternally stable.” This seems like a nice reformulation of Turing's Entscheidungsproblem

No, it's definitely a separate observation. The Entscheidungsproblem describes a problem space that we cannot build a machine to solve.

What Kawai is saying is a more physical thing - even for problems we can build a machine to solve, the machine will eventually stop working under normal use, and it's unlikely even to produce consistently correct results.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 11:06 PM UTC

i_am_ralpht wrote: post #5

The recall problem was caused by software -- where are the software gods who write machine code instead of using compilers? ;)

The best programmers I know all find an excuse to write some assembly every so often, even if just as an exercise.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by IndianAstronaut » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 11:07 PM UTC

imh wrote: post #23

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

There will be few people needed at the apex of the arts, once the best of the best can do the jobs of most everyone else combined. We still need an economic plan for everyone else.

Japan is naturally doing this through their low birthrates.