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On an unrelated note - very cool to see Polymer used in production by Google. I was afraid it was left to the wayside.

I noticed it with the paper dropdown. As long as they're dogfooding the platform I'm happy to develop on it!

Polymer actually has 0.8 coming up soon with some pretty significant changes; definitely not left to the wayside.

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This seems insanely expensive to me! Three offers a sim-only deal that works with all phones with unlimited data for just £17 ($25), and roaming in Europe will be free after December 2015! Are mobile plans significantly more expensive in the US?

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4.7" is the screen diagonal. The total height, including the top and bottom border is listed as 5.44". This is according to Apple. http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/specs/

This seems unlikely, as cell phones are generally rectangular and have flat screens. EDIT: maybe you could try drawing a screen with a 5.44" height and 4.7" diagonal. Euclid will not be your friend.

I think you and the parent are confusing the display size with phone size. The phone height is >5 inches. The display is 4.7 inches diagonally. The device size diagonally will be more than device height.

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For those who don't want to read the FAQ or find the video incredibly unhelpful [1]: a. It only supports the Nexus 6 out of the gate. b. It automatically switches you to the "fastest" network available. Partners out of the gate are Sprint and T-mobile. Sounds like it prefers Wifi, then 4G LTE, and then degrades down to 3G or 2G. c. Pricing is $20 for unlimited talk (domestic) and text (domestic and international) and…

I've been really excited about this upcoming announcement, but I'm disappointed at the pricing. I used 15GB last month, so I'd pay more than double what I pay now for "unlimited" data.

A lot depends on how well the WiFi network works. If their WiFi network is good enough then your data might stretch a lot further.

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this is excellent, someone well funded to take on the cellular companies that have been asleep at the wheel with pricing, customer service and innovation for years.

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This seems unlikely, as cell phones are generally rectangular and have flat screens. EDIT: maybe you could try drawing a screen with a 5.44" height and 4.7" diagonal. Euclid will not be your friend.

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1.5" of "wasted" space? That surprises me.

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And I'm saying that getting rid of unlimited data doesn't solve the problem of network congestion. Actually putting work into the network does solve the problem of network congestion. Don't punish users because you're too lazy to provide them with a network that's actually designed to handle current/future data demand.

And I'm predicting that it will be economically impossible to handle future data demand, if you allow "unlimited data." Even with the best intentions. You would need to be subsidized by the government to provide it. Since so few people TODAY currently make use of their unlimited data, the network can afford to offer those terms. And they found that by offering those terms, they attracted a disproportionate number of…

> But at some point, the aggregate network demand will exceed even the THEORETICAL network capacity, if you offer your customers unlimited data, and demand goes up the way I think it will.

At which point you build out the network so that it can handle the increased demand. The problem of congestion doesn't magically go away if you ditch unlimited plans for pay-per-gigabyte plans.

Even barring that, the wired broadband world already addresses this by making speed the useful commodity instead of quantity, and there's very little reason why the wireless world couldn't do the same. "Our networks are getting congested, so we're going to switch to a new model where you can pay cheap rates for 2G speed or pay more for 4G speed or pay something in between for 3G speed or pay top-dollar for our newfangled 5G" is a much better answer than "our networks are getting congested, so we're going to just cap users' usage of it and hope the problem goes away".

That, in short, is what Google Fi should be doing. That would be an actually-compelling reason to switch to it instead of T-Mobile.

Until then, T-Mobile will continue to get my business, and T-Mobile will therefore be at least that much more incentivized to provide unlimited data plans.

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> still in the concept phase Multiple generations of prototypes and hundreds of thousands of miles driven is well past the concept phase.

This just comes down to your definition of concept. I consider a prototype as a concept car that exists to show the feasibility of the concept but it has a ways to go before it is ready for production.

That makes sense. I would consider a concept to be an idea or a plan, not a working product.

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Where did you travel to? When we went to France, I got great speeds (almost 3G-ish) roaming on several providers there (IIRC, SFR and Bouygues) in all sorts of locations, including very remote ones. In the end, we paid $40 (all for calls @ $0.20/min) for 3 weeks of near-normal usage with 2 iPhones. To me that's very much a game changer - previously I paid double that same amount as an accidentally access charge (forg…

> Where did you travel to? It was this cruise but in reverse (Aruba last, cayman first): Ports: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Aruba | Cartagena, Colombia | Panama Canal, Panama (Gatun Lake) | Colon, Panama | Limon, Costa Rica | Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands | Ft. Lauderdale, Florida When I paid for data I got good 3G or 4G speeds. With free data it was incredibly slow, like sub-56K modem slow, even at the same ports as th…

If you don't mind your connection being proxied there's always Opera Mini.

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That's a pretty big assumption.

Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. I doubt they pay a flat rate to all providers they borrow from with Google charging by the 100 MB.

Google consistently tries to increase competition and make both hardware and network owners into a commodity.

Meanwhile hardware and network owners madly fight to stay relevant, like the aggressive customization of Samsung's android Touchwiz or the various telecoms lobbying against net neutrality.

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