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This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by touristtam »

ColinWright wrote: post #69
gambiter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on every aggregator does there have to be 'that guy' who thinks it's somehow his job to dig up duplicate posts? Do you comment on various news sites whenever they post an article that the NYTimes covered? It's just... silly. This is the first time I've seen news about this particular 'country', and I'm glad I saw it this time because it is interesting. Duplicates FTW!

Duplicates will always happen, and as you have pointed out, sometimes there is positive value to that. The idea isn't to avoid duplicates, per se, but to try to ensure that the same discussion doesn't get hashed out again and again in different different, parallel and unconnected threads. There have even been cases[0] where the mods explicitly dipped in and moved comments from one submission to another to avoid the "…

Maybe HN needs to catch those and trade the "new submission" for additional points and a bump towards the main page.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jobigoud »

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #113
jobigoud wrote: post #103

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> if they could get 5.000 people to pay $1000 in taxes per year, Not sure they appreciate the concept of shared expenses though, from their objectives "a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes .".

The key word there is unnecessary. Having some sort of police or military would be considered to be necessary by most.

That's why it's hard to make a country. You have to allocate resources to education, defense, health, public goods maintenance, etc. And inevitably some people will think that some expenses are not necessary.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jules »

tinco wrote: post #47

This country is also on the verge of having its first war. The Liberland flag has already been removed by another micro-nation that claims to have laid claim on the land just over a month earlier: http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173 Unfortunately, the Paraduin people seem a bit nutty to me. An excerpt from their constitution, which is in Dutch: "Paraduin is een monarchie. De titel van de monarch is prins(es), voluit Prins(…

Paraduin is an april's fools joke: http://www.paraduin.nl/?page_id=9

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by leppr »

arihant wrote: post #57

Sidenote: This page has unbearable amounts of JS. It is unscrollable on latest generation Chromebook, a device explicitly built to browse the Web. There is a limit to how much JS one should use; if your website requires a pro gaming machine to be readable, you probably crossed that limit.

Still a bit laggy on my overclocked i7, this site was probably designed with GPU acceleration and double GTX 980 machines in mind.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by Crito »

pjc50 wrote: post #61
kauffj wrote: post #46

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Agreed, but why should the "rest of the world sighs with relief"? Existing government is sub-optimal and competition tends to increase quality. Is there a special property of government service that makes this principle fail here?

Government is not a service. It nearly always provides services, but it also provides stability and a means of dealing with "negative externalities". Running a government with a particularly lax policy on fraud, pollution, etc. can easily export problems around the world.

How many people do micronations actually have the capacity to harm? I mean in the real world, going from real world performance, not in fevered day-dreams of what "could" happen.

I don't think the "rest of the world" really has any stake in it at all. A few hundred people do, at most. These people may not be completely harmless, but they also lack the capacity to hurt people in any significant numbers. If you can be hurt by a micronation, perhaps you need to reevaluate what your government is doing. How badly do they have to fuck up to the point that a micronation becomes relevant in your life?

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by djloche »

tinco wrote: post #47

This country is also on the verge of having its first war. The Liberland flag has already been removed by another micro-nation that claims to have laid claim on the land just over a month earlier: http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173 Unfortunately, the Paraduin people seem a bit nutty to me. An excerpt from their constitution, which is in Dutch: "Paraduin is een monarchie. De titel van de monarch is prins(es), voluit Prins(…

A country establishes itself as a legitimate country in the international community by surviving war.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by lmm »

gosub wrote: post #120
pjc50 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government is not a service. It nearly always provides services, but it also provides stability and a means of dealing with "negative externalities". Running a government with a particularly lax policy on fraud, pollution, etc. can easily export problems around the world.

Aren't stability and "dealing with negative externalities" also services? Without goverments people would seek them elsewhere (other forms of ruling, insurance companies, etc.)

> Aren't stability and "dealing with negative externalities" also services?

In a sense, but they're subject to a tragedy of the commons (that's almost the definition of a negative externality), so competition does not improve them.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by lmm »

izolate wrote: post #10

Why must every inch of this land have to be incorporated somehow? I'd much rather have no man's land, than have a land owned by a particular man's ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).

No man's land is by its very nature a haven for criminals and worse.
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