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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by hjura » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:44 PM UTC

tinco wrote: post #55

k__ wrote: post #51

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Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.

That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…

I think that before they start to launch home made missiles they should check if Paraduin is not just some Dutch artists making a communication joke.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by steamy » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:45 PM UTC

Is this micro-nations fever a by-product of the proliferation and popularity of Clash of Clans and other related mobile strategy video games recently?

I can't help but to make the connection here, what do you think guys?

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by juliangoldsmith » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:46 PM UTC

jobigoud wrote: post #103

tinco wrote: post #55

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That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…

> if they could get 5.000 people to pay $1000 in taxes per year, Not sure they appreciate the concept of shared expenses though, from their objectives "a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes .".

The key word there is unnecessary. Having some sort of police or military would be considered to be necessary by most.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by elmar » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:49 PM UTC

anonbanker wrote: post #108

collyw wrote: post #93

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What about anarchist states? Does that make them an oxymoron?

Yes. But only if you think anarchist == anarchy. In reality, anarchist == anarchism, which is a collectivist/socialist philosophy masquerading as anarchy. A state based on anarchy is an oxymoron.

there are several very different models of a anarchist society, some are based on collectivist/socialist others on capitalism/individualism.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by techcode » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:56 PM UTC

ctdonath wrote: post #85

tormeh wrote: post #39

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If you read the article, you would have understood that the territory is a no man's land because of a border dispute between Serbia and Croatia. The two countries will probably keep each other in check.

Reading the article gives the reverse impression: each claims the land belongs to the other; neither wants it.

I'm not sure if this stuff can be interpreted like EX-YU breakup wars were not about land (and which Ethnicity/Religion/Language/etc lives on it)... Or these guys should reconsider why neither Serbia nor Croatia want that part of land... Or ...

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by wyager » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 3:09 PM UTC

izolate wrote: post #10

Why must every inch of this land have to be incorporated somehow? I'd much rather have no man's land, than have a land owned by a particular man's ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).

Land being unclaimed is an unstable configuration, whereas land being claimed is a relatively stable configuration. Probabilistically speaking, any given piece of land is therefore more likely to be claimed than unclaimed.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jtbigwoo » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 3:09 PM UTC

desireco42 wrote: post #62

As a Serbian I welcome our Liberland neighbours. It really opens a lot of possibility. It citizenship doesn't require you to live there for Liberland to thrive. If he/they would just start a top level domain name for example, I can see how being citizen would be beneficial to enterpreneurs.

If the domain name is a common abbreviation, they might be able to generate royalties from domain name sales like Tuvalu (.tv) does. (Though, if I remember correctly, it hasn't been the windfall that Tuvalu hoped for.)

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 3:21 PM UTC

bottled_poe wrote: post #32

crocowhile wrote: post #17

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed...

The examples listed there are really not very similar to Liberland. Those countries may not have military power, but they certainly have political power.

The 'no true country' fallacy at work.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by axus » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 3:26 PM UTC

tinco wrote: post #55

k__ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.

That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…

If they could get 100k people to use Amazon affiliate links for all their purchases, they'd have another revenue source.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by gosub » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 3:26 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #61

kauffj wrote: post #46

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Agreed, but why should the "rest of the world sighs with relief"? Existing government is sub-optimal and competition tends to increase quality. Is there a special property of government service that makes this principle fail here?

Government is not a service. It nearly always provides services, but it also provides stability and a means of dealing with "negative externalities". Running a government with a particularly lax policy on fraud, pollution, etc. can easily export problems around the world.

Aren't stability and "dealing with negative externalities" also services? Without goverments people would seek them elsewhere (other forms of ruling, insurance companies, etc.)