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This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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> 160,000 people want to live there I just put my name down. It's a laugh. I'd probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don't actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar. On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to br…

Despotically?

*successfully

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.

That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…

Obviously ? Are you from the US? If so, I can understand where you're coming from. Maybe violence is not the answer, or have you thought about this possibility ? Their motto is "Live and Let Live", doesn't that tell you something ?

Or maybe you're a professional pro-war troll?

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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post #54

> 160,000 people want to live there I just put my name down. It's a laugh. I'd probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don't actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar. On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to br…

You laugh at the concept of a passport but there are lots of people who don't have a passport at all and no citizenship to any country. They would like to be a citizen of one country or another. This might be a great way to do it.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah thats exactly what I thought however if they pose no threat then why need an army from the first place?

Because otherwise independent land with no army tends to get overrun by those who do have an army. When you need one, it's too late to get one.

They don't need armies, they need allies. The problem then becomes finding an ally with a strong army but without a strong inclination to use said army to take over your micronation.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#76

As a Serbian I welcome our Liberland neighbours. It really opens a lot of possibility. It citizenship doesn't require you to live there for Liberland to thrive. If he/they would just start a top level domain name for example, I can see how being citizen would be beneficial to enterpreneurs.

You can't just start a top level domain. Calling yourself a country doesn't make ICANN hand you a ccTLD, and there's not currently an open period for gTLDs, even if the people behind Liberland could get one if there were.

I understand that, still this is just opening of possibilities. EU wants to manage our thoughts, this guy is busting that trend, of course he is welcome.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#77
"Live there?" Where is that? You can't live in a nation; it's not a place, but rather a set of people, of which you can be a member. You can live in a country. A nation doesn't imply a country; nations can be displaced. Furthermore, having a certain nationality which is tied to a country doesn't mean being a resident of that country. Perhaps not all 160,000 people want to actually live in that country; maybe some only want the nationality. If this new nation has very relaxed rules about residency for maintaining nationality, they might not even have to visit there very much, if at all.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Why must every inch of this land have to be incorporated somehow? I'd much rather have no man's land, than have a land owned by a particular man's ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).

I'm not sure if you're seriously looking for an answer. If you are, it's actually rather obvious: As long as there is a piece of unclaimed land, it is sufficient for a single person/organization/state to decide at some point in time to claim it for themselves, and from that point forward it is likely to stay claimed forever.

Over the course of human history, it is exceedingly likely that every piece of at least marginally potentially interesting land is claimed at some point.

Furthermore, only unused land can truly be no man's land, which is why it is a bit curious why you'd be so interested in no man's land in the first place. (As soon as you go there and do something remotely interesting with it, even if it's just camping there, it stops being no man's land and starts being de facto your land, until somebody challenges you to it.)

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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This country is also on the verge of having its first war. The Liberland flag has already been removed by another micro-nation that claims to have laid claim on the land just over a month earlier: http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173 Unfortunately, the Paraduin people seem a bit nutty to me. An excerpt from their constitution, which is in Dutch: "Paraduin is een monarchie. De titel van de monarch is prins(es), voluit Prins(…

Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.

RDL from here lived on Sealand, I believe:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3766509

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