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This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by playing_colours »

GFischer wrote: post #25
playing_colours wrote: post #18

I am trying to speculate what kind of people this new country can attract and give its citizenship? I tend to think (sorry for sounding biased) that it would be adventurers, hippies, suspicious characters, illegal migrants, fraudsters. The topic about legalisation of marijuana is quite popular on their forum so it may attract drug dealers and drug addicts. Can this microstate be interesting for entrepreneurs, enginee…

What does legalizing marijuana have to do with drug dealers? Isn't the reverse more likely? I live in a country with legal marijuana(1) and I don't see the correlation (it does attract marijuana-related tourism though). (1) Uruguay. It's legal for now, the current president is not happy at all about legal marijuana and wants to revoke the law.

I agree with you about legalizing marijuana in an established state with working institutions. I see Netherlands as a successful example of it. But here we have the state in the very beginning of its existence, without the recognised law enforcing institutions. Thus it may be more difficult to control drug traffic.

The current president is more like a king at the moment with a lot of influence to shape the country, but can also be heavily influenced by external forces (by money, armed force). A lot of things depend on personalities and hidden agendas of people who will rule there, and it may be difficult to control them. Money from illegal activities like drug traffic may be very attractive.

I am just speculating about this potentially interesting experiment.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by bottled_poe »

crocowhile wrote: post #17
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #3

Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed...

The examples listed there are really not very similar to Liberland. Those countries may not have military power, but they certainly have political power.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jp555 »

playing_colours wrote: post #31
GFischer wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does legalizing marijuana have to do with drug dealers? Isn't the reverse more likely? I live in a country with legal marijuana(1) and I don't see the correlation (it does attract marijuana-related tourism though). (1) Uruguay. It's legal for now, the current president is not happy at all about legal marijuana and wants to revoke the law.

I agree with you about legalizing marijuana in an established state with working institutions. I see Netherlands as a successful example of it. But here we have the state in the very beginning of its existence, without the recognised law enforcing institutions. Thus it may be more difficult to control drug traffic. The current president is more like a king at the moment with a lot of influence to shape the country, b…

Cannabis is not legal in NL and there are many problems with their current setup involving organized crime. You say you "see" NL as a successful example, but I think it's more of a belief based on assumptions. In reality it's a bit of a mess.

The U.S. ironically (they're the ones who got the world to sign treaties promising to never legalize) has the some of the best decriminalizatoin/legalization laws on the planet

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by draugadrotten »

samastur wrote: post #28
mkesper wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe soon a new part of Russia? Latest events around Ukraine have really made that thinkable.

Russia? It's not even close to any of Russia's borders.

Yet.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by Aoyagi »

huuu wrote: post #6

I'm sorry to be that guy, but a small note to all webdevs on Hackernews: please make sure to skip all bloated and hip Javascripts. Because not all visitors have the latest and fastest devices. This great article is unfortunately unreadable for me because I can't scroll down.

It is my understanding that some designers think "the more code and the more difficult it is, the better it is".

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by rplnt »

huuu wrote: post #6

I'm sorry to be that guy, but a small note to all webdevs on Hackernews: please make sure to skip all bloated and hip Javascripts. Because not all visitors have the latest and fastest devices. This great article is unfortunately unreadable for me because I can't scroll down.

And to all sysadmins on HN... I receive 403 for this article, so do whatever is necessary to keep it from happening on your websites that reach wider audiences :)

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by playing_colours »

jp555 wrote: post #33
playing_colours wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you about legalizing marijuana in an established state with working institutions. I see Netherlands as a successful example of it. But here we have the state in the very beginning of its existence, without the recognised law enforcing institutions. Thus it may be more difficult to control drug traffic. The current president is more like a king at the moment with a lot of influence to shape the country, b…

Cannabis is not legal in NL and there are many problems with their current setup involving organized crime. You say you "see" NL as a successful example, but I think it's more of a belief based on assumptions. In reality it's a bit of a mess. The U.S. ironically (they're the ones who got the world to sign treaties promising to never legalize) has the some of the best decriminalizatoin/legalization laws on the planet

Wikipedia [0] says it's still legal, but more and more restricted. So NL are not the best example for successful legalisation.

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by jp555 »

playing_colours wrote: post #37
jp555 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cannabis is not legal in NL and there are many problems with their current setup involving organized crime. You say you "see" NL as a successful example, but I think it's more of a belief based on assumptions. In reality it's a bit of a mess. The U.S. ironically (they're the ones who got the world to sign treaties promising to never legalize) has the some of the best decriminalizatoin/legalization laws on the planet

Wikipedia [0] says it's still legal, but more and more restricted. So NL are not the best example for successful legalisation. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

Never been legal, but tolerated. If you're smoking in the streets you can still get into trouble with the police. That's why there's coffeeshops. Smoke there or home and NL looks the other way. But on the supply side there are many problems.

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Post by tormeh »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #3

Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

If you read the article, you would have understood that the territory is a no man's land because of a border dispute between Serbia and Croatia. The two countries will probably keep each other in check.
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