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This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

yeah thats exactly what I thought however if they pose no threat then why need an army from the first place?

Because otherwise independent land with no army tends to get overrun by those who do have an army. When you need one, it's too late to get one.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose he gets some wealthy folks (especially from Serbia/Croatia) to keep their assets there. I doubt it would happen (chicken/egg problem, right?), but I could see a territory like that persisting without international recognition or an army. Of course, I'm no expert in geopolitics...

Short of trucking money in there's no way to move money to a country that has no international recognition.

Nah, that's what foreign investment is for. Some rich developers decide they think they can make money, so they pour in capital in the form of roads, buildings, sewers, all things that make much more of a difference in an emerging nation than a pile of money would.

These investors would have a direct stake in propping up the idea that this is sovereign land, as that's what will give them the best return on their investment. So the new ruler and the investors form a tight bloc.

The whole idea is to make the area attractive to commerce, once the businesses start coming in, and the people to run and operate the businesses, then there's a critical mass to begin the process of drawing up a constitution, figuring out how to set up legislative bodies, the machinery of governance.

Only after all this is done is international recognition needed.

The reason micronations never got off the ground is because nobody was ever able to court enough investment to build up to that critical mass that can support commerce. They were just way too small. City-size seems to be at just the right scale for this kind of experiment. It was just a matter of time until something like this happened.

Note this is also the exact same process whereby new townships are formed in the US, particularly in the 1800s where we were in our expansionary period. Only they don't have to set up the full machinery of state, they already have a state and federal government to build off of.

Eventually somebody is going to get this right in the developing world, and that will kick off a hoard of copycats. As regimes topple, people will start breaking these countries up into city-states. Think of how gentrification works in the US, if you think about it, it's just the process of cities growing. Sovereignty in the developing world is going to follow the money.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#23
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin comes to mind.

How would you keep Bitcoins 'in' a country in any meaningful way?

Well, you can't technically, but if Liberland is your only citizenship/only place your corperation exist no other country can tax your Bitcoins.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#24
post #10

Why must every inch of this land have to be incorporated somehow? I'd much rather have no man's land, than have a land owned by a particular man's ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).

I welcome all kinds of socio-economic experiments. If people were free to try out various scenarios, we'd have a much better understanding of socio-economics.

> I'd much rather have no man's land, than have a land owned by a particular man's ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).

I think that's an equally valid scenario to try out. If only my country did not have anti-sedition laws...

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#25

I am trying to speculate what kind of people this new country can attract and give its citizenship? I tend to think (sorry for sounding biased) that it would be adventurers, hippies, suspicious characters, illegal migrants, fraudsters. The topic about legalisation of marijuana is quite popular on their forum so it may attract drug dealers and drug addicts. Can this microstate be interesting for entrepreneurs, enginee…

What does legalizing marijuana have to do with drug dealers? Isn't the reverse more likely? I live in a country with legal marijuana(1) and I don't see the correlation (it does attract marijuana-related tourism though).

(1) Uruguay. It's legal for now, the current president is not happy at all about legal marijuana and wants to revoke the law.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you keep Bitcoins 'in' a country in any meaningful way?

Well, you can't technically, but if Liberland is your only citizenship/only place your corperation exist no other country can tax your Bitcoins.

Provided that you don’t work/live in any other country and your business partners in other countries don’t have to pay taxes there, yes.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#27
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin comes to mind.

How would you keep Bitcoins 'in' a country in any meaningful way?

Cold storage wallets:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Cold_storage

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#28
post #16

Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

Maybe soon a new part of Russia? Latest events around Ukraine have really made that thinkable.

Russia? It's not even close to any of Russia's borders.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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I'm sorry to be that guy, but a small note to all webdevs on Hackernews: please make sure to skip all bloated and hip Javascripts. Because not all visitors have the latest and fastest devices. This great article is unfortunately unreadable for me because I can't scroll down.

Looks fine in W3M, so they're doing something right.

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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

#30

Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed...

So small countries don't have armies because the'd be insignificant anyways.

Probably setting up strong, well paid and well monitored police force would be sufficient to provide secure environment for the business.

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