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Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

> generates more e-waste than necessary I'm not so sure. Apple have free recycling and even the most repairable equipment will end up being chucked eventually.

Leaving aside upgrades and repairs, it makes disassembly for recycling purposes overly difficult, i.e. expensive, when everything is glued. This reduces the profitability and therefore likelihood of recycling each individual component to the maximum of its potential.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

#32
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Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

A somewhat ironic question to ask of the first macbook which is using a standard charger, no? (for the rest of the laptop, it's barely repairable because there's barely anything in it. a logic board and a battery.)

And a display, a glass panel, speakers, multiple boards for auxilliary logic, a touch pad, a few -- well, two -- outside ports, and a lot of internal connections. All of which can break, but aren't user servicable.

Not to mention that it wasn't too long ago -- still isn't, in many devices -- that the "logic board" was not a discrete piece of hardware, but a place where you could plug in discrete components to repair and/or upgrade your computer.

Yes, you can hand your device back to Apple to get it repaired. But two or three years down the road, that's gonna be more expensive than just chucking it, at best recycling a few of the materials. If it was more maintainable, your nerdy teenage relative might have a fair chance of recovering the device instead (free laptop!).

And yes, there's a tradeoff between repairability and a host of other desired attributes -- cost, compactness, etc. Presumably Apple is judging that the market demands the latter while it doesn't care about the former -- at all. It's that totality that I take issue with.

What's more, Apple, more than any other tech company, continuously shapes what the market wants: if they brought out a series a smartphones that are user-servicable (say as a feature of an entry-level Apple Phone for emerging markets), the other manufacturers would fall in line quickly. It's rare that it works the other way round, although they've done it twice now for mobile device size, first for tablets then for phones, sort of a blow to the Apple mystique.

And of course only a fool would recognise that the manufacturers interests are not at all aligned with consumer interests regarding maintainability. Planned obsolescense is what makes this market -- a perfect storm of rapid technological progress and lack of repairability. When consumers want ever sleeker and faster devices, that's something Apple engineers can deliver, again and again. But a device that will just last them a decade is a device you only sell once in a decade.

Finally, Apple is hardly unique or particularly noteable in any of this. As usual, they're just good at what they're doing. Unless there's a surprising change in market demands, I fully expect most other laptops to look like this in a couple of years, just like most phones now come with glued in batteries and most laptop displays are fused with the front glass, turning a 30 USD repair into a 600 USD one. If anything, the fact that Apple devices are well-built and only start at the middle-end going into high-end means that people will be disinclined to just chuck them and get a new one instead.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

>But I think both can agree that this generates more e-waste than necessary

How so?

https://www.apple.com/recycling/

The components are separated for recycling.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

How is this more e-waste than a typical laptop? Aren't Apple laptops known for being highly recyclable and using less harmful materials overall? If you're saying more easily repairable laptops would stick around longer, I'm not sure that's how most consumers treat computers that break on them, especially laptops. Many times it would be "I need a new computer". I would think all of the produced-as-cheaply-as-possible…

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Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

Just want to highlight Apple's recycling program as stated here [1]. They will give you a gift card for Apple computer. If your equipment are not Apple, they will still pick it up for free via Sims Recycling Solutions. [2] [1] - https://www.apple.com/recycling/ [2] - http://oem.srsapp.com/applepoweredbysims/

That doesn't really address recycling, though. They've over-loaded the word to mean trade-in.

Technically nothing on that page days they don't just throw all the returned iPods into a lake. Well of course they don't, but neither do we know what they actually do.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> generates more e-waste than necessary I'm not so sure. Apple have free recycling and even the most repairable equipment will end up being chucked eventually.

Leaving aside upgrades and repairs, it makes disassembly for recycling purposes overly difficult, i.e. expensive, when everything is glued. This reduces the profitability and therefore likelihood of recycling each individual component to the maximum of its potential.

> Leaving aside upgrades and repairs, it makes disassembly for recycling purposes overly difficult, i.e. expensive, when everything is glued.

A similar thing happened in the auto industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_recycling#Policies

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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I'm not sure why this is an issue any more. It was a nice ideal when laptops were just PCs put into smaller boxes, but as manufacturers put the effort and investment into satisfying our demands for smaller, faster, lighter, I don't think the expectation of poking around inside them is reasonable.

We don't see people complaining about the repairability of their R-Pis, Chromecasts, SoC systems etc. That's the way hardware is going - because that's what we've asked for.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

#39

Worth noting that this device, typical for Apple, gets the worst "repairability" score: >The MacBook 2015 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair) There are several reasons why this happens; the optimist says that to save space Apple had to glue and solder so much, the pessimist says it's so that Apple can charge more for repairs/replacements. But I think both can agree that this generates more e-wa…

My understanding is that Apple is one of the leading companies when it comes to eWaste. Also, this is the one of the rare Apple product that that only has industry standard ports/power chargers on it. You can't critique them on building a product that is hard to repair (and wow, this one looks next to impossible for your average non-technician) - but the ewaste/standard charger concerns don't appear to be valid.

Perhaps they are in the leading position, but shouldn't we strive for ever better products? I just upgraded a couple of old MacBooks and iMacs from HHD to SSD and all of a sudden they are usable again - and will probably continue to be so for the coming 2-3 years. That basically extended their lifetimes by perhaps 30-40% and the saved waste is presumably closely proportional to that. So, ideally, I think, all manufacturers should provide upgrades for fair prices and encourage their customers to buy them.

Re: Retina Macbook 2015 Teardown

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>Apple has opted to transition from using a row of LEDs with a light guide panel, to installing individual LEDs beneath each key.

That's progress. Now, Apple, please replace each LED with an infra-red or a visible-light sensor, so that someone can write software to put a representation of the keyboard onto the screen that shows which keys have a finger hovering over them, so that the user never has to look at the keyboard except when the keyboard needs cleaning.

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