Really good job by the volunteers who put in the effort to the raise the awareness about this.
Blow to Internet.org as Indian Internet Companies Begin to Withdraw
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
The precedent already exists, at least here in Australia. Luckily it hasn't caused too many problems thus far, but whether that is merely an outlier remains to be seen.
To clarify for the global audience: (most) broadband in Australia is metered, so back when ADSL started getting big, ISP's would offset 14GB bandwidth cap with 'free zone' content - data which is unmetered. This still continues today, the most recent competitive offering is unmetered Netflix - http://www.optus.com.au/netflix Which, the latest news is that Netflix regrets signing these deals in the first place http://…
Wow, there are actual countries with bandwidth cap and privileged content for Home Internet? Damn, I thought that was just the hypothetical scarecrow of NN defenders =/
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are ways to provide free internet to millions, while NOT compromising on neutrality or providing convenient network leverage to Facebook and Reliance to pick winners. How is X megabytes / month for free but with ads (this is network neutral) not better than Internet.org's current model? Why not let those millions decide which are the essential internet services for them ? Do the poor millions don't deserve choi…
> with ads Why ads? Facebook would be providing internet.org for free, right? If the goal is getting more people on the internet, then internet.org could provide unfettered access to the internet and still reach their goal. However, if the aim is to get more people on their platform and increase Facebook's bottom line, then the goal is about manipulating one of the most disenfranchised people. A way out for the zero…
If you provide free capped connections to the end-users (with selected services not counting toward the cap), that would be a totally different discussion indeed.
But that's not the case here.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
To clarify for the global audience: (most) broadband in Australia is metered, so back when ADSL started getting big, ISP's would offset 14GB bandwidth cap with 'free zone' content - data which is unmetered. This still continues today, the most recent competitive offering is unmetered Netflix - http://www.optus.com.au/netflix Which, the latest news is that Netflix regrets signing these deals in the first place http://…
Wow, there are actual countries with bandwidth cap and privileged content for Home Internet? Damn, I thought that was just the hypothetical scarecrow of NN defenders =/
eh. It's something that made sense over ten years ago. Very little content was hosted locally within Australia so most traffic had to go over the expensive links to other countries (which are obviously constrained in bandwidth). Privileged/unmetered content was often things like local Steam mirrors or whatnot which was closer to the user/ISP.
Now that more and more content is cached locally, there's less and less of a need for it both bandwidth caps and privileged content.
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#195Can someone give me a good argument as to why no internet is better than free limited internet with facebook + google search + wikipedia? If Facebook will provide free limited internet (and as always, you can pay regularly to get full internet access) for a lot of basic service, it only seems reasonable they will package their facebook and messenger apps as well. On the whole, do you think internet.org is a bad, nega…
Actually, if they only provide Facebook services, one might argue that they are not providing Internet connectivity at all; they're providing Facebook.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe the price is stopping it. Getting a telco to give you massively reduced rates on a few domains is drastically different than paying for internet access for everybody. Also, please correct me if I am mistaken, but I.org doesn't prevent you actually paying for full internet access?
They could put data caps. They could support it with ads. Both of which give neutral access to full open internet. If it has to be _few_ domains only, they could let the user chose his preferred domains on the 1st of every month. But no, they want to sell the poor out to the highest bidders.
adding ads will just make the already slow internet slower. loading content + ads is not good for the customer.
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#197Internet.org is offering a free service to people who would otherwise have no access to the Internet. Net neutrality on a free service in a developing country is an entirely different issue than net neutrality in developed countries with high Internet access rates. I see similarities between this and GMO in developing countries, where rich, well fed people in developed countries oppose gmo in countries that can't fee…
This is nothing like the GMO debate. GMOs are not giving a curated list of seeds away for free to make the farmers dependent on them. GMOs sell their product like every body else in the free market.
Not true. Monsanto "donates" seeds to Haiti
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Neither is important if they have offline-cached copies of Wikipedia (all the content of which is readily available for download and made available under a CC-BY-SA / GNU GFDL dual-license), which can then be distributed on optical media, thumb drives, or some other relatively-inexpensive data distribution medium. This is something that's totally compatible with net neutrality while providing the same benefits you're…
Poor people in India have cheap smartphones but they dont have PCs so optical media, thumb drives are useless to them.
Old PCs are actually much cheaper nowadays than even the cheapest smartphones of equivalent computing power, and typically include more than enough storage space for the entirety of Wikipedia. One shared PC in a community would solve that problem right quick.
Even without that, thumb drives are usable with smartphones via OTG cables.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
They could put data caps. They could support it with ads. Both of which give neutral access to full open internet. If it has to be _few_ domains only, they could let the user chose his preferred domains on the 1st of every month. But no, they want to sell the poor out to the highest bidders.
adding ads will just make the already slow internet slower. loading content + ads is not good for the customer.
Only if the ads are loaded in parallel with the content. The ads can very well be like TV or YouTube ads.
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#200Mark Zuckerberg on Net Neutrality in India
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