Live data from Hacker News

Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

animalnewyork.com

191–200 of 374 posts

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#191
post #3

It has already been covered over with tarp and the letting removed[1]. It's a wonderful piece of work with excellent sentiment behind it. Unfortunately it doesn't suit the government and mainstream media narrative, so I'm sure the act of its erection will be decried as liberal terrorism and vandalism, the piece taken down and Snowden-related news once again brushed over. [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brookl…

It's interesting that they choose to (almost literally) deface it.

They're fully in their right to remove it, but simply making it unrecognizable feels like a political act.

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#192
post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not have worked, "founding principles".

I am not certain that offering grammar corrections is very constructive. Also if you read the article in the parent post you would notice that your second correction should be directed at it not me, as I accurately copy pasted that quotation.

Correcting the quote is silly, yes, but I think it's constructive to point out uses of the wrong word entirely. That's a far leap away from being ultra-picky about grammar.

Though it might make more sense to use "'ve" when correcting to emphasize that it's not a spoken vs. written speech difference, it's a transcription error.

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#193
post #86
post #35

Seeing them cover this thing up is a hideous moment in our history: https://vine.co/v/eBBvedaHtBz . Shameful that something so harmless is immediately covered up (quite literally) because it challenges the state. The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks.

So it would be shameful of me to cover up your political speech when it's inflicted upon my property without my permission? Look, I emphatically believe in what Snowden did (though I may have some quibbles with his methods, his reasons were exemplary). I don't think that justifies what amounts to glorified — if tastefully done, and in keeping with the aesthetics of the monument — vandalism. This is a war memorial . H…

My great-great-great-etc-grandfather fought in the war that monument commemorates, and I feel Snowden exemplifies the values he fought for.

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the republic/democratic state distinction, the US's democratic status has always been weak due to FPTP (ditto with the UK). It is essentially a system designed to keep the majority from even running and to keep the minority opinion silent. If the US (or UK) cared at all about democracy like they always claim they'd move to something better (e.g. Open list, party list, full on proportional representation, or…

FPTP = First Past The Post, for people whose first language isn't English. Took me a bit to figure out :)

Also for people whose first language is English.

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#195

Very cool idea. It doesn't look too much like Snowden though.

Google image search agrees with you: http://bit.ly/1CdboIs note: jack from "the shining" shows up

Google image search is not a face recognition engine or even a way to find different pictures of the same object.

What it does is look for different versions (sizes and croppings) of the exact same picture, and if that fails, look for images with similar colors (Jack from the Shining).

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#196
post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said in another response: it's a political statement made with public art. As far as Parks and Rec is concerned, it's big heavy piece of vandalism, the integrity of which they know nothing about. To put this in a programmer's perspective: imagine if artists wanting to make political statements suddenly started littering your linux kernel with binary blobs which caused your boot screen to flash an image of Snowde…

Depending on what you mean by "otherwise trusted", I would either not care or freak out worrying that I got something other than the Snowden blob. Just displaying an image would be easy to verify with a disassembler. And it's misleading to use 'binary blob' as an analogy to a simple statue. Most binary blobs are effectively impossible to examine fully.

By otherwise trusted I simply mean that it is included by default, not that you specifically trust the source.

Is the the park's reaction much different from using a disassembler? They cover it up so until someone can come to inspect it and then remove it. You can't just look at it and say "yep, that's a perfectly normal bronze sculpture alright" without inspecting it (requiring removal).

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#197
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a plausible argument what Snowden did that went "too far" that boiled down to more than "he did anything at all". At most, you get a side order of " mumble mumble national security mumble mumble he should have done it 'differently' mumble mumble he went to RUSSIA for sanctuary! mumble mumble

I haven't seen many good arguments against Snowden either - but your comment here is a huge strawman. Just because you feel strongly about what Snowden did doesn't mean everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant/dumb.

I wouldn't call that a strawman. It's an explicit challenge to provide an actual argument, while showcasing a behavior that is not meant to be an argument.

strawman: "Their argument is this weak thing that's easily disproved."

this post: "I haven't heard a single actual argument from them."

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#198
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on what you mean by "otherwise trusted", I would either not care or freak out worrying that I got something other than the Snowden blob. Just displaying an image would be easy to verify with a disassembler. And it's misleading to use 'binary blob' as an analogy to a simple statue. Most binary blobs are effectively impossible to examine fully.

By otherwise trusted I simply mean that it is included by default, not that you specifically trust the source. Is the the park's reaction much different from using a disassembler? They cover it up so until someone can come to inspect it and then remove it. You can't just look at it and say "yep, that's a perfectly normal bronze sculpture alright" without inspecting it (requiring removal).

The hiding is totally unrelated to removal, which is totally unrelated to realizing that it's a statue.

So yes very different.

And if they wanted to set up something dangerous, it would be easier to make it hidden. There's no good reason to suspect the statue is dangerous.

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#199
post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google image search agrees with you: http://bit.ly/1CdboIs note: jack from "the shining" shows up

Google image search is not a face recognition engine or even a way to find different pictures of the same object. What it does is look for different versions (sizes and croppings) of the exact same picture, and if that fails, look for images with similar colors (Jack from the Shining).

It's actually pretty effective at face recognition when given actual faces:

Obama: http://bit.ly/19Zkgur

Putin: http://bit.ly/1aDAvyA

Lindsay Lohan: http://bit.ly/19ZkFgk

Matt Damon: http://bit.ly/1xYl5il

Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn

#200

It's interesting to see that these people (1) installed the bust in such a way that it can be easily removed without damaging the existing structure and (2) went to great lengths to ensure that the new design is honoring the aesthetics that were already in place. One can argue otherwise, but I think this is a very creative and considerate form of protest which btw is also non-violent.

Snowden's a hero and deserves his place on that memorial. This whole deal with the people putting up a statue of a hero and the government tearing it down? Not what America's supposed to be about. Combine that with the fact that most of the senators who voted for the Patriot Act probably read 1984, and didn't object to the obvious propaganda in the name Patriot Act? Not what America's supposed to be about either.

Snowden is a traitor who happened to bring up an important debate. Probably sold US secrets to China and Russia, while releasing public information so that he can have public support while doing so.

He's one of the most successful double-agents in history, with excellent public relations. If a double-agent were to happen again in the future, they'll do what they can to study how Snowden handled his case.

No, I don't think he's a "hero". At least Manning's ideology was pure, (although naiive). Snowden is almost certainly a double-agent based on the countries he fled to and who he is working with currently. Contrast Snowden with Manning: Manning didn't contact the Chinese Embassy while fleeing to Hong Kong before releasing only some of the data. Just think about it for a second. Manning released anything and everything he got his hands on. Snowden: he's visited multiple foreign countries and has direct contact with those governments.

If you want to discuss the collections programs, lets start with how you expect police to actually deal with modern criminals (ie: Swatters) if they didn't have the ability to track the location of their phone calls. You know, practical concerns that our law enforcement are attempting to solve. If tracking telephone "metadata" is too much, then what tools are you willing to give police in their battle?

EDIT: Here come the down votes. Come on people, lets see your stuff. Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Post reply on HN