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Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
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Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#52Why is Edward Snowden a hero? He divulged sensitive U.S. documents and information that now bad actors use to exploit/harm the US. Further, he knew what he was doing was against the law and ran as far away as he could to avoid facing the consequences(Bradley, now Chelsea Manning as far as I know didnt run like a coward). Now he's a pawn between Russia and US relations. The information he divulged that we are being wa…
>He divulged sensitive U.S. documents and information that now bad actors use to exploit/harm the US.
Just to be frank, what Keanu Reeves or Charlie Sheen can do to harm U.S.?
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#53Coopting memorials this way bothers me, especially in the case where the person being idealized would have been against it. I do appreciate the relevancy of the memorial being used. Using the location and its history as a running point for a demonstration / gathering would have been more impactful as well as being respectful to the purpose of the memorial.
I'm not sure Snowden would be against it, if it stood a good chance of getting people talking about the upcoming reauthorization of the Patriot Act on June 1.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One man does not have the legitimacy to make policy. He's not making policy. He's informing the public.
And why do you think he did that?
I agree that his goal was changing policy. Nevertheless he does not have the power to make policy on his own. The power to change policy rests ultimately in the democratic process. And giving the public the info required to make good policy seems pretty fair to me. The public could have chosen/can choose to ignore his leaks.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#55Seeing them cover this thing up is a hideous moment in our history: https://vine.co/v/eBBvedaHtBz . Shameful that something so harmless is immediately covered up (quite literally) because it challenges the state. The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks.
If you'd done the same thing with a bust of your mother 10 years ago, they'd have covered it up as well. Try the same thing (with Snowden, or your mother) in France or China, and see what happens. Just because they parks department is doing their job doesn't mean democracy is ebbing.
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#56It would be cool if his bust becomes the first viral 3d printing meme, where people 3d print his bust and leave it in public spaces all over the world.
The artists are anonymous but according to the article, the author knows how to reach them. Perhaps someone should contact the publication. This is the only email address I see:
tips@animalnewyork.com
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sir. Edward does not expose anything. It's the journalists that choose the material. He made it very explicit from the start. > You have to be naive to think the Russians are harboring him Can you please provide a source? The quality of this comment is something I'd expect from a 50 cent army. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades [EDIT] Softened language.
>Are you perhaps working for the US equivalent of 50 cent army? Didn't we just hear about a new HN policy to limit trolling, snotty comments, and low information negativity like this? This snide aside here is a good test case to see if these new policies have any teeth. I would expect this comment deleted by the mods. Accusing other members of being paid-for shills merely because they disagree with you is trolling an…
There are a number of users here who honestly believe that criticism of Snowden is the work of NSA agents and paid shills - so of course they feel their accusations are not at all gratuitously negative, but rather warning people not to be duped by the elaborate and subtle government psy-ops at work.
Then again, I can't help but wonder why people bother asking if someone else is a shill, as if they honestly expect an actual shill to admit to it. Probably the same people who think undercover cops actually have to admit who they are if you ask them.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks. It really is. The facade of democracy is very quickly being peeled back to reveal something utterly terrifying. The response from the people has been the most disappointing and depressing thing though. The random sampling in NYC, of all places in the US, by Oliver's show was a brutal reminder of the mindset of the average person there.
>The facade of democracy >The response from the people has been the most disappointing Which one is it? Is it that democracy has failed, or is it that the majority don't care about this particular topic?
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#59This is disgusting. Snowden lost any legitimacy he may have had as a whistle-blower when he started exposing the unquestionably legitimate foreign intelligence activities and capabilities of the United States. You have to be naive to think the Russians are harboring him without something in exchange: even more information about our foreign intelligence activities. This traitor's bust does not belong among the remains…
I disagree strongly. I consider Snowden to be a hero - flawed perhaps, and not conforming to a heroic mythos demanding his going to court - but his information exposure was something that was desperately needed in the US.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#60Coopting memorials this way bothers me, especially in the case where the person being idealized would have been against it. I do appreciate the relevancy of the memorial being used. Using the location and its history as a running point for a demonstration / gathering would have been more impactful as well as being respectful to the purpose of the memorial.
> Using the location and its history as a running point for a demonstration / gathering would have been more impactful
Would we know about it on HN?