We need a model of the bust so we can start printing these en masse on our 3D printers.
It will get even better when Diane Feinstein orders us to take the model off the Internet.
Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
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Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us truly believe that Snowden went too far. Calling all of us shills is counter-productive, dismissive, and extremely standoffish.
The NSA went too far by violating the constitutional rights of US citizens, both on US soil and abroad. I'm unaware of how you can go "too far" when directing sunlight on corruption and illegal activities perpetrated by an arm of your own government.
Say that a CIA field agent or team is found doing illegal and unethical things (it's happened before many times,) would it be "too far" to release the entire list of CIA field agents and their covers around the world to two journalists at a foreign newspaper because of that one group of agents? It absolutely would be and would potentially put shitloads of lives at risk. Snowden basically did the same thing with the NSA information.
Most of us think he was in the right to expose PRISM and some other programs, but he basically gave Greenwald & Co. unfettered access to a huge swath of the NSA's internal operations. That's too far for me. It's an issue of scope.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#33This is disgusting. Snowden lost any legitimacy he may have had as a whistle-blower when he started exposing the unquestionably legitimate foreign intelligence activities and capabilities of the United States. You have to be naive to think the Russians are harboring him without something in exchange: even more information about our foreign intelligence activities. This traitor's bust does not belong among the remains…
Please do not downvote marcoperaza's post because you disagree with it. That goes against the spirit and intent of this site. Make your own argument to counter instead.
I downvoted it because of the tone: "disgusting", "you have to be naive", "unquestionably legitimate", etc. The post's grandchild, by the same user, is fine (though not very useful, rehashing old arguments).
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us truly believe that Snowden went too far. Calling all of us shills is counter-productive, dismissive, and extremely standoffish.
The NSA went too far by violating the constitutional rights of US citizens, both on US soil and abroad. I'm unaware of how you can go "too far" when directing sunlight on corruption and illegal activities perpetrated by an arm of your own government.
I've never seen a plausible argument what Snowden did that went "too far" that boiled down to more than "he did anything at all". At most, you get a side order of "mumble mumble national security mumble mumble he should have done it 'differently' mumble mumble he went to RUSSIA for sanctuary! mumble mumble
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#35Seeing them cover this thing up is a hideous moment in our history: https://vine.co/v/eBBvedaHtBz.
Shameful that something so harmless is immediately covered up (quite literally) because it challenges the state.
The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#36It has already been covered over with tarp and the letting removed[1]. It's a wonderful piece of work with excellent sentiment behind it. Unfortunately it doesn't suit the government and mainstream media narrative, so I'm sure the act of its erection will be decried as liberal terrorism and vandalism, the piece taken down and Snowden-related news once again brushed over. [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brookl…
I wonder how long the sculpture stood up. The two articles were only published 2 hours apart.
It looks like they put it up around 6am and it was covered over around noon.
I hope, for the sake of the work that went into the piece, that it isn't destroyed.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The NSA went too far by violating the constitutional rights of US citizens, both on US soil and abroad. I'm unaware of how you can go "too far" when directing sunlight on corruption and illegal activities perpetrated by an arm of your own government.
Say that a CIA field agent or team is found doing illegal and unethical things (it's happened before many times,) would it be "too far" to release the entire list of CIA field agents and their covers around the world to two journalists at a foreign newspaper because of that one group of agents? It absolutely would be and would potentially put shitloads of lives at risk. Snowden basically did the same thing with the N…
"the entire list of CIA field agents and their covers around the world"
Not released. Not even plausibly given to "Greenwald & Co."
It's telling that you jump to a ridiculous supposed analogy of endangered CIA field agents when we're talking "operations" safely carried out in secure server farms, cubicles, and offices.
Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#38This is disgusting. Snowden lost any legitimacy he may have had as a whistle-blower when he started exposing the unquestionably legitimate foreign intelligence activities and capabilities of the United States. You have to be naive to think the Russians are harboring him without something in exchange: even more information about our foreign intelligence activities. This traitor's bust does not belong among the remains…
Please do not downvote marcoperaza's post because you disagree with it. That goes against the spirit and intent of this site. Make your own argument to counter instead.
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Re: Massive, Illicit Bust of Edward Snowden Stuck to a War Monument in Brooklyn
#39Seeing them cover this thing up is a hideous moment in our history: https://vine.co/v/eBBvedaHtBz . Shameful that something so harmless is immediately covered up (quite literally) because it challenges the state. The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks.
>The U.S. is getting scarier by the day, folks.
It really is. The facade of democracy is very quickly being peeled back to reveal something utterly terrifying. The response from the people has been the most disappointing and depressing thing though. The random sampling in NYC, of all places in the US, by Oliver's show was a brutal reminder of the mindset of the average person there.
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#40Coopting memorials this way bothers me, especially in the case where the person being idealized would have been against it. I do appreciate the relevancy of the memorial being used. Using the location and its history as a running point for a demonstration / gathering would have been more impactful as well as being respectful to the purpose of the memorial.