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“Today we moved into our new Facebook building”
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#392I would literally switch jobs (and perhaps careers, if every company was like this) if forced to work in an open office like this. I cannot work that way; I can't focus. I realize that I'm adding nothing constructive to this thread; I don't care. Maybe some manager somewhere will see this and a hundred other anecdotal opinions and think twice about open offices. I am the opposite of a prima donna. I just want to work…
Clearly we just need cochlear implants so that we can turn off hearing went we need quiet. XD
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did several things, I think. And it does fluctuate. - College in an extremely social club environment (marching band) - Moved across the country to a new place, forced me to meet new people, change social skill set - Moved from small companies to fast growing larger company, with mostly introverted people around me, I tended to fill out the gaps - Role more focused on personal interactions - New romantic relationsh…
If I'm not mistaken, you define introvert/extrovert by personal preference. e.g. when you need to recharge your batteries, would you rather be hanging out with 20 people, or alone on a walk? What you described was your path to developing social skills, which is great. I am an extremely social person. Many different groups of friends, very social at work, love going out and am always up for just about anything. I know…
Your definition is just as tenuous.
I define introversion by the MBTI definition: "I like getting my energy from dealing with the ideas, pictures, memories, and reactions that are inside my head, in my inner world. I often prefer doing things alone or with one or two people I feel comfortable with. I take time to reflect so that I have a clear idea of what I'll be doing when I decide to act. Ideas are almost solid things for me. Sometimes I like the idea of something better than the real thing."
Similarly, I define extroversion by the MBTI definition: "I like getting my energy from active involvement in events and having a lot of different activities. I'm excited when I'm around people and I like to energize other people. I like moving into action and making things happen. I generally feel at home in the world. I often understand a problem better when I can talk out loud about it and hear what others have to say."
I define my personality shift from introversion to extroversion as a shift from primarily the first definition to the second. The shift is not in full: Meyers and Briggs not only recognized the spectrum between the two and the conditionality of both personalities, they accounted for it in their assessment.
I still have periods of overstimulation by crowds that require alone time to "recharge." I also have periods of overstimulation of introverted self-care, in which I require crowds and groups to "recharge."
Overall, I find the black-and-white dichotomy to be insufficient to describe the experience. The gray area is better, but I still think the presence of the opposing words does a disservice to the people attempting to define themselves and others in terms of them.
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#394I will never work in an open office plan. It's one of the items on my "prima donna" list. Despite the name I'm pretty serious, and while some of this list represents things that others might not be able to avoid, or even agree with because they are personal preferences, all of the items are the result of bad experiences or missteps I've experienced directly at a job in the past. I know some may object to these. That'…
Really? All of this is on your list? If I asked for 3 mandatory meetings a year you're NEVER going to work at my company? How do you go through life being so rigid on such relatively trivial issues?
If the meetings are worth my time, they wouldn't need to be made mandatory. I'll happily show up to relevant useful, worthwhile meetings.
Making a meeting mandatory is a big red flag that the meeting is a waste of time.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I really would not want to work with someone who is looking for so many reasons to be unhappy with a job. So much entitlement... I highly suspect your measurement of "too much entitlement" is a matter of your own jealousy.
Let me rephrase: being around such a person would probably rub me the wrong way, but I wouldn't refuse to work in a company with assholes, because every company has an unpleasant person once in a while. Jealousy? Of what? Of wanting too much?
Every item on my list is a red flag that the company is poorly managed. Poorly managed startups are less likely to succeed, and thus more likely to waste my time and not pay me for it (if the equity becomes worthless.)
You can call that entitled, I call it experienced enough not to be a sucker.
That you think I'm an asshole for listing red flags that indicate systemic problems in companies, in my opinion, reveals more about yourself than me.
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#396I would literally switch jobs (and perhaps careers, if every company was like this) if forced to work in an open office like this. I cannot work that way; I can't focus. I realize that I'm adding nothing constructive to this thread; I don't care. Maybe some manager somewhere will see this and a hundred other anecdotal opinions and think twice about open offices. I am the opposite of a prima donna. I just want to work…
Last year I designed an office for a small business with 20 employees. Having worked in several offices (with different layouts) made me very "bearish" on open-offices so I advised the business owner against it. While explaining all my arguments to him, he told me:
I completely agree with you but without an open layout how do I control my employees?
And:
With an open layout I can put more people in less space.
This is what business people think. All the rest is poetry.
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think you don't deserve that?
Maybe I do, maybe I don't, but I'm not demanding all of that crap for a job. My demand is more modest: any job I take must not contribute to the proliferation of non-free software and the company I work for must not attempt to control or mistreat its customers. And if I can't find such a job, I'll work as a waiter. Beyond that, having enough of a salary to live on is all a person really needs. Having such an inflexib…
You just ruled out far more companies, and for far more arbitrary reasons-- eg: you want to get paid but you won't let any company you work for sell software in order to pay you.
You're far more inflexible than I am.
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it'd be okay to rent your computer from your company and pay for your office space and desk? Or split the costs of their servers or cloud costs with their employees? No, nobody sane thinks this. My point is that parking (or some reasonable transit alternative) should be figured into the operating costs for the company. Acting like employees don't need to actually get to work is not a good way to run a bu…
When deciding between two offers just monetize all perks that you expect to use including convenience factor. Parking not provided? Subtract (Daily parking rate + parking_time hourly_rate) 200 / (1-marginal_tax_rate) from salary. Provides CalTrain pass? Add $45 dollars to salary (I expect to use it 3 times/year).
IT's not a monetary issue, really.
It's about the wasted time dealing with a parking space.
The companies that don't provide parking often locate in places where you spend an hour a day, in aggregate, dealing with parking one way or another-- looking for a space, walking to the building from the space, etc.
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK, so rule zero really should be "don't work for idiots, assholes, or idiot assholes" -- that covers a lot of things.
Perhaps rule -1 then might be "you can't always predict who the assholes are."
The rest of the rules could be called "asshole detectors"
Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”
#400I will never work in an open office plan. It's one of the items on my "prima donna" list. Despite the name I'm pretty serious, and while some of this list represents things that others might not be able to avoid, or even agree with because they are personal preferences, all of the items are the result of bad experiences or missteps I've experienced directly at a job in the past. I know some may object to these. That'…
I don't know why equity would be a dealbreaker for you. There is some $X where getting $X extra would make up for no equity (considering equity is usually worth $0). Instead of equity, you could ask to be paid $20k more, go to a casino, and bet it all on one spin of roulette at 36:1. If you win the first spin, let half of it ride on another 36:1 bet. That would give you a better payout distribution than is likely fro…
Your point is valid, but the reason for the equity is not about compensation, but about alignment of interests. If things do go really well, then I need skin in the game. But I also need to be treated like a part owner, not a disposable employee.
The equity thing is about the mindset of the boss, more than compensation.