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Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#231
Did a quick search for a few poets (the usual, Robert Creeley, William Carlos Williams, George Oppen, Lorraine Neidecker, Robert Zukofsky), thinking about trying to champion at least one of them (Neidecker, probably).

Then I remembered, this is hacker news, these are programmers. Before I was a programmer, I was a poet and a poetry teacher. One of the things that started drawing me towards programming and technology were poets like bpNichol and his fantastic "First Screening". He wrote it on an Apple IIe using BASIC in 83-84 and folks have been "translating" it throughout the past 30 years to keep it accessible on newer PCs.

There's a lot of poetry and hacker ethos coming together to keep this little gem alive:

I recommend the .mov[1] version as the Javascript[2] version is a bit too nice (fonts, no flickering, etc), but you can also run the original code[3] in an emulator.

Or, for an entirely different experience, read the source code[4].

Read all about it here: http://vispo.com/bp/introduction.htm

1: http://vispo.com/bp/firstscreening.mov

2: http://vispo.com/bp/first-screening-javascript-version/first...

3: http://vispo.com/bp/emulatedversion.htm

4: http://vispo.com/bp/download/FirstScreeningBybpNichol.txt

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#232
Some non-English poets:

Faiz: Your feet bleed, Faiz, something surely will bloom as you water the desert simply by walking through it.

Ahmad Faraz: ... All those with outspoken mouths have become torn bodies. Those with unbowed heads have been led to the gallows and the rope.

All the Sufis and saints, every Sheikh and Imam hope to find favour at the court of the rulers. The dignitaries of the law courts wait to take oaths like beggars squatting at the side of the road. ... Look at the principles of those unworldly loyalists who are with you look around! So the condition of saving your life is to place your pen and slate in the killing fields. If not you will be the only target of the archers this time. Therefore surrender your integrity. Seeing the treaty I spoke to the messenger. He does not know what history teaches. When the night martyrs the sun the morning sculpts a new one. ... My pen does not commend that protector who is proud of besieging his own city. My pen is not the bowl of the simple fool who renders praise-poems to the usurpers.

My pen is not the tool of the housebreaker who makes a hole in the roof of his own home. My pen is not the friend of the midnight thief who scales the walls of lamp less houses.

My pen is not the prayer beads of the missionary who always keeps account of his worshipful deeds. My pen is not the scale of the judge who places a double veil over his face.

My pen is the pious gift of my people. My pen is the court of my conscience. ...

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#233
Houellebecq:

    ~~~
    De jeunes bourgeoises circulent entre les rayonnages
    du Monoprix, élégantes et sexuelles comme des oies.
    Il y a probablement des hommes, aussi; je m'en fiche
    pas mal. On a beau ne plus imaginer de mots possibles
    entre soi et le reste de l'humanité, le vagin reste
    une ouverture.
    ~~~

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#234
David E. Howerton. He's not well known but one of my favorites.

  tajpe’ joj ‘oy’wI’Daq
  boS yabwImey
  legh choSmeyDaq
  nuqDaq Hon e’be’ pa’
  Qoy ghoghmey tun
  retlh HeH yabmey
  ghIH nuqDaqvIpbe’
And the translation:

  Torn between pains,
  the gathering of my mind,
  seeing shadows move,
  which aren’t there.
  Hear the voices whispering
  along the edge of minds
  coming out of nowhere.

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#235
Poems > Poets

"The Abnormal is Not Courage"

The Poles rode out from Warsaw against the German tanks on horses. Rode knowing, in sunlight, with sabers, A magnitude of beauty that allows me no peace. And yet this poem would lessen that day.

Question the bravery. Say it's not courage. Call it a passion. Would say courage isn't that. Not at its best. It was impossible, and with form. They rode in sunlight, Were mangled.

But I say courage is not the abnormal. Not the marvelous act. Not Macbeth with fine speeches. The worthless can manage in public, or for the moment. It is too near the whore's heart: the bounty of impulse, And the failure to sustain even small kindness. Not the marvelous act, but the evident conclusion of being. Not strangeness, but a leap forward of the same quality.

Accomplishment. The even loyalty. But fresh. Not the Prodigal Son, nor Faustus. But Penelope. The thing steady and clear. Then the crescendo.

The real form. The culmination. And the exceeding. Not the surprise. The amazed understanding. The marriage, Not the month's rapture. Not the exception. The beauty That is of many days. Steady and clear.

It is the normal excellence, of long accomplishment.

-Jack Gilbert

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#236
Lots of other people have suggested Neruda, which makes me happy, because he's fantastic.

I think my favorite poem is probably "Under Milk Wood", by Dylan Thomas (folks have posted some of his other work, which sheepishly I don't really like). I love this poem so much that even hearing it in a VW ad didn't diminish it. It's quite long, but the beginning is my favorite part:

  To begin at the beginning:

  It is Spring, moonless night in the small town, starless and bible-
  black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched, courters'-and- 
  rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the sloeblack, slow, black, 
  crowblack, fishingboat-bobbing sea. 

  The houses are blind as moles (though moles see fine to-night in the 
  snouting, velvet dingles) or blind as Captain Cat there in the muffled 
  middle by the pump and the town clock, the shops in mourning, the 
  Welfare Hall in widows' weeds. And all the people of the lulled and 
  dumbfound town are sleeping now.

  Hush, the babies are sleeping, the farmers, the fishers, the tradesmen 
  and pensioners, cobbler, schoolteacher, postman and publican, the 
  undertaker and the fancy woman, drunkard, dressmaker, preacher, \
  policeman, the webfoot cocklewomen and the tidy wives. Young girls lie 
  bedded soft or glide in their dreams, with rings and trousseaux, 
  bridesmaided by glow-worms down the aisles of the organplaying wood. 

  The boys are dreaming wicked or of the bucking ranches of the night and 
  the jollyrogered sea. And the anthracite statues of the horses sleep in  
  the fields, and the cows in the byres, and the dogs in the wet-nosed 
  yards; and the cats nap in the slant corners or lope sly, streaking and 
  needling, on the one cloud of the roofs.

  You can hear the dew falling, and the hushed town breathing.

  Only your eyes are unclosed to see the black and folded town fast, and slow, asleep.

  And you alone can hear the invisible starfall, the darkest-before- dawn 
  minutely dewgrazed stir of the black, dab-filled sea where the 
  Arethusa, the Curlew and the Skylark, Zanzibar, Rhiannon, the Rover, 
  the Cormorant, and the Star of Wales tilt and ride.

  Listen. It is night moving in the streets, the processional salt slow 
  musical wind in Coronation Street and Cockle Row, it is the grass 
  growing on Llareggub Hill, dewfall, starfall, the sleep of birds in 
  Milk Wood.

  Listen. It is night in the chill, squat chapel, hymning in bonnet and 
  brooch and bombazine black, butterfly choker and bootlace bow, coughing 
  like nannygoats, suckling mintoes, fortywinking hallelujah; night in 
  the four-ale, quiet as a domino; in Ocky Milkman's lofts like a mouse 
  with gloves; in Dai Bread's bakery flying like black flour. 

  It is to-night in Donkey Street, trotting silent, with seaweed on its 
  hooves, along the cockled cobbles, past curtained fernpot, text and 
  trinket, harmonium, holy dresser, watercolours done by hand, china dog 
  and rosy tin teacaddy. It is night neddying among the snuggeries of 
  babies.

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#237
Another good one by Philip Larkin:

Vers de Société

My wife and I have asked a crowd of craps To come and waste their time and ours: perhaps You’d care to join us? In a pig’s arse, friend. Day comes to an end. The gas fire breathes, the trees are darkly swayed. And so Dear Warlock-Williams: I’m afraid—

Funny how hard it is to be alone. I could spend half my evenings, if I wanted, Holding a glass of washing sherry, canted Over to catch the drivel of some bitch Who’s read nothing but Which; Just think of all the spare time that has flown

Straight into nothingness by being filled With forks and faces, rather than repaid Under a lamp, hearing the noise of wind, And looking out to see the moon thinned To an air-sharpened blade. A life, and yet how sternly it’s instilled

All solitude is selfish. No one now Believes the hermit with his gown and dish Talking to God (who’s gone too); the big wish Is to have people nice to you, which means Doing it back somehow. Virtue is social. Are, then, these routines

Playing at goodness, like going to church? Something that bores us, something we don’t do well (Asking that ass about his fool research) But try to feel, because, however crudely, It shows us what should be? Too subtle, that. Too decent, too. Oh hell,

Only the young can be alone freely. The time is shorter now for company, And sitting by a lamp more often brings Not peace, but other things. Beyond the light stand failure and remorse Whispering Dear Warlock-Williams: Why, of course—

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#238
post #148

I love many poets and poetry.Two that I would like to share with HN commuity at this time would be - Rumi and Gulzar Rumi said things like Forget safety. Live where you fear to live. Destroy your reputation. Be notorious. Rumi: Meet you there Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field.I 'll meet you there. Rumi: Silence There is a way between voice and presence where information flows. In discipl…

I love it, mostly Rumi. It's like motivational poetry, for the nerds from 800 years ago. “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi “Sit, be still, and listen, because you're drunk and we're at the edge of the roof.” ― Rumi

And one of the best ones from Rumi

  What you seek is seeking you
  - Rumi

Re: Ask HN: Who are your favorite poets?

#239
post #148

I love many poets and poetry.Two that I would like to share with HN commuity at this time would be - Rumi and Gulzar Rumi said things like Forget safety. Live where you fear to live. Destroy your reputation. Be notorious. Rumi: Meet you there Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field.I 'll meet you there. Rumi: Silence There is a way between voice and presence where information flows. In discipl…

I absolutely agree. He is a true poet. He started his career in 1957 and he is still going! And the amazing thing about his poetry is that it caters to everyone. I and my father both enjoy listening to his poems(see the age difference) and it never gets old!
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