Note to those setting up new XMPP accounts: DuckDuckGo has a solid XMPP server[7] available for public use. They do their damnedest to protect privacy also, from what I understand.
That'll be all.
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Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
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Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nice, I did not know. Really Where is the source code?
The language: http://www.paulgraham.com/arc.html Source code https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/
It seems like the source for Arch discussion, that seems to be similar, but slightly different, to Hacker News.
But it's better than nothing.
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#183A quick comment on why I submitted this ... This will substantially change the way I interact with Facebook Messenger, and irritatingly so. For the past as long as I remember, all of my IM services have shown up in one client (naim; then Pidgin; then Adium). I'll now be forced to either use the Facebook web client (and, in doing so, feed the mis-tuned reward system in my brain that stimulates itself from seeing the n…
I saw that they were deprecating the XMPP API right after they announced it, and I have been having nightmares about losing the ability to use Adium since. Still have no idea what I'm going to do if they truly don't release some type of client.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ahhhh that'll explain never receiving messages and my friends not getting them. Some bust scenarios I experience: 1. I will call my wife using Hangouts - she won't be notified on her phone. 2. I chat with someone via Google Talk on my old phone - if they're using Hangouts, they may or may not receive the message. 3. Someone will chat with me via Hangouts. My phone with Google Talk may or may not receive it; BUT! if I…
Long before I hangouts I had lots of issues with Google talk. I started numbering my messages as in 1 Hey Joe 2 How are things in SG 3 Are you going to meet me at the airport? 4 Or shall I take a cab? 5 In any case I'll be into the city by 7pm so we can grab dinner etc. What we found was that Google talk was dropping messages. Lots of them. With no way to complain and no way to prove it I just stopped using Google Ta…
I had the same issue. Anywhere in 80-100% of the messages get delivered. Lost interest quickly...
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, I don't do web or software development, let me tell you^W^Wrant about how chat in 2015 feels to use. I'm 27, I grew up on IRC, I know my ICQ UIN by heart. Chat has always replaced SMS for me, and most groupware as well. I was happy when Facebook came along, and suddenly even the non-nerdy friends were compatible with my preferred way of having an endless conversation about random things. Chatting feels natural to…
> ... persistent group chat, shared chat history with a search function, synchronized unread/read statuses.... Across all my devices - Web, Linux, Android and FirefoxOS. No advertising. Telegram - http://telegram.org I've been using it for several months now and am very happy. Would love integrated voice calling, especially to landlines/mobiles, and hope someone develops a plugin for this soon (perhaps the guys at Ja…
My biggest concern with things like this is that AFAICT their business model is kind of foggy. Quoting from their FAQ, "Pavel Durov, who shares our vision, supplied Telegram with a generous donation through his Digital Fortress fund, so we have quite enough money for the time being. If Telegram runs out, we'll invite our users to donate and add nonessential paid options to break even. But making profits will never be a goal for Telegram." https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-you-going-to-make-money-o...
That's a very nice sentiment, but it's not a sentiment that fills me with confidence that I can rely on the continued existence of the free thing they're giving me.
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#186Is there an alternative to Pidgin in this regard? I only use Facebook to chat with my friends (over Pidgin) and I don't want to touch their website if possible.
I would be also interested in Messenger integration in Adium (It uses same library as Pidgin.).
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#187Sigh , yet another nail in the XMPP coffin, at least as far as the general public is concerned. Remember when we had ICQ, and AIM, and MSN Messenger, and Gadu-Gadu, and we were dreaming of a unified messaging system?
> Remember when we had ICQ, and AIM, and MSN Messenger, and Gadu-Gadu, and we were dreaming of a unified messaging system? We'll always have SMS.
I was thinking about this recently. After having some trouble with my iPhone 5 sending SMS's last year and my Nexus 6 sending and receiving MMS's this year I feel that SMS/MMS reliability has gotten really bad. I know it's due to a cocktail of buggy OS's and the cell phone towers themselves but I never thought my old Motorola flip-phone from 10 years ago would be more reliable than this stuff.
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
So start your own communications network. Market it. Make it open. May the best solution win.
It's not about the best solution, and everyone needs to stop pretending it is. This sort of thing comes down to which solution has the most corporate backing. The only exceptions are when an open solution happens to hold on for long enough (on the order of years) for a major player to realize that its good and maybe they should give it a chance (example: OpenStack's support by PayPal right now, or when Linux finally…
I don't think it's even as simple as corporate backing, though that certainly plays a part. It's significantly the arbitrary whims of the population; Whatsapp was not corporate backed, and still captured huge marketshare.
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
The funny thing is that XMPP was created when XML was the current hotness. SMTP survived despite changing fads. If we're ever going to standardize IM (or anything), we have to accept that protocols may use older technology. Someday JSON will be old too. Let's not make these mistakes again.
At the time when XMPP was getting standardized and was still mostly known as Jabber, I started implementing a Jabber chat client with a friend. The problem with XMPP isn't that it was based on XML. No, what made it annoying was that the dudes who made it decided that instead of basing it on exchanging individual messages, i.e. XML documents like everyone else does, everything must instead be put inside a so-called XM…
Even though it seems like a strange decision, using XML for the stream framing made the protocol nicely pure. It theoretically meant you didn't need to write a parser (this was a rare thing for a network protocol). In practice, though, you're right, most parsers at the time didn't work well with network streams.
Of course, lack of adoption by the big providers was almost certainly political rather than technical.
Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away
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I haven't heard of an extension that does that either, but I'm not sure that would scale well for busy long-running Multi User Chats. But the benefit of XMPP is that a new extension can be proposed that does this if enough people want such a feature. Personally I would argue that a better approach would be to make Public MUC logs accessible and searchable via a web interface and to have the client log chats going for…
The problem with XMPP MUC's is that it's modelled after IRC, as that's what the protocol hackers know and love. But (please forgive the hyperbole) normal people don't use IRC, they use Skype. And the Skype model is so foreign to the IRC / XMPP techies that they'll always dismiss any attempts to add these features, often with spurious technical doubts as you just did. Ignoring that Skype has these features since a dec…
Not to forget whatsapp. 1000 times more daily active users than IRC. Basically the same model as Skype. (And likewise quite unlike IRC.)