i've had limited success, one factor that helped was me going cold turkey on the alternatives. also you define your own success, gaining a monopoly is rather a high standard!
We apparently have quite different friends. Removing myself from Hangouts means that I get information either in person, or through email, if at all. I'm currently relying on the Signal rework of TextSecure to get most of us off of Hangouts: the big barrier to adoption has been easy-to-configure clients that work on Android, iOS, and desktop and sync message history amongst clients.
web client xmpp isn't going to be very good at storing message history, i'll grant you.
I found out about Goofy a couple of months ago and when I'm at my desk, I don't have to use my phone at all for messaging (except for whatsapp). Now I'd wish someone would do the same for Gmail chat / Hangouts, or maybe a way to combine all the webviews into one ;)
Whatsapp has a web client.
I saw this, but from what I understand it was only if you had an Android phone, and it needed to be beside you the whole time while it procesed the messages for you in the background?
I saw this, but from what I understand it was only if you had an Android phone, and it needed to be beside you the whole time while it procesed the messages for you in the background?
I only realized XMPP support was ending a month ago, I am not sure how I missed the notification but this just introduces a new way for me to miss messages.
I think the writing is on the wall for XMPP, even Cisco is now working on Project Squared/ Spark and I expect will be killing off their Jabber software (The tone from their collaboration SMEs has become quite negative). Personally I believe WebRTC based technology can provide a much better user experience and more powerful capabilities than XMPP. Further, as a front end to SIP, it could be a great thing for interoperability, especially with PSTN. However, it really looks like it is being used as an excuse to create new walled gardens.
Fortunately some carriers are migrating to IMS and provide softclients for computers, tablets and smart phones (Rogers One Number, and Telus Extend). This is the lowest common denominator, but I can chat with everyone with SMS as well as make phone calls from whatever device I choose. However, although technically possible, multiuser chat and presence is still not available.
So here we are 20 years later, and chat is more fragmented than ever, but at least unlimited SMS is now common. AT&T and Verizon are finally beginning migration to IP peering which opens the way for video calling over the PSTN. I think there is an opportunity for carriers here if they would get their act together. 6+ platforms (Skype, Hangouts, FB Messenger, iMessage, BBM, SMS) really doesn't work for me.
So, I don't do web or software development, let me tell you^W^Wrant about how chat in 2015 feels to use. I'm 27, I grew up on IRC, I know my ICQ UIN by heart. Chat has always replaced SMS for me, and most groupware as well. I was happy when Facebook came along, and suddenly even the non-nerdy friends were compatible with my preferred way of having an endless conversation about random things. Chatting feels natural to…
Can you go into detail about what features were lacking? For what it's worth, a lot comes down to what features the server admin has activated. I've heard many complaints about XMPP but this is the first I've heard someone mention lack of features as a problem with it.
Server-side chat logfiles that are distributed to all connecting clients? I've never looked into the protocol, but I'm pretty sure that one is lacking.
It doesn't matter if it is stupid simple, it shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
So start your own communications network. Market it. Make it open. May the best solution win.
It's not about the best solution, and everyone needs to stop pretending it is. This sort of thing comes down to which solution has the most corporate backing. The only exceptions are when an open solution happens to hold on for long enough (on the order of years) for a major player to realize that its good and maybe they should give it a chance (example: OpenStack's support by PayPal right now, or when Linux finally started going someplace in the early 2000's with Canonical and RedHat). Give me an example of 'the best solution' winning despite major corporate backing of the proprietary competitor?
SMS? Or SMS, iChat, Hangouts, Whatsapp, and the thousands of others that use your SMS number as username? Some (iChat, Hangouts) even steal your SMSs and place them on proprietary networks; If you switch devices from iPhone to Android or vice-versa, messages get lost.
SMS, the network. > If you switch devices from iPhone to Android or vice-versa, messages get lost. I moved from an Android phone to an iPhone, back to an Android, and then back to an iPhone again. I never had my messages in limbo, and its easy to fix (at least, on the Apple side) if it occurs: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204270 Note that link also comes up as a search engine provided result by google just by go…
First of all, I'll wager a supermajority of iPhone users do not understand any distinction between iMessage and SMS. Apple designs away the distinction. Secondly, when an ex-iPhone user ports away their number and is able to send SMS's without issue and receive SMS's from most of the world except for iMessage senders, how are they supposed to 1) discover they have lost messages before they lose something critical, and 2) discern that the cause of their inexplicably lost messages, is that they need to "disable iMessage", when they are not even an Apple user anymore?
I'm not an Apple hater, I use Apple products, but this is a huge fuckup and the OTT fragmentation is a real issue vis-a-vis SMS.
And SMS is not IM so your premise from the start is a nonsequitor. It's telephony, it's wildly and widely overpriced and non-open.
Also it is worth mentioning that Google Talk !== Google Hangouts Everyone who uses XMPP/iMessage/Adium to connect to Google Talk is: 1) Apparently missing some messages from Hangouts users. Haven't been able to track it down but it's gotten me in trouble with my girlfriend a few times for "ignoring her" 2) Your friends see you as "Online" on hangouts and send you messages, which often seem to relate to #1 (you never…
This may not be unique to XMPP...I use regular Google Hangouts with my fiancee (also on stock Google Hangouts) and have found that occasionally messages to my fiancee get to her hours later or not at all. Apparently the Hangouts team doesn't consider "reliable message delivery" to be a key feature. I think people don't realize just how unreliable the major messaging networks are. There was a Reddit thread a year or s…
What is worse is that all Internet banking and debit card transactions online(in India at least) depends on SMS for OTP as mandated by RBI guidelines. I have had OTP messages arrive 6 hours late while trying (and failing) to initiate banking transactions (which have a timeout period of 1 - 2 minutes).
Can you go into detail about what features were lacking? For what it's worth, a lot comes down to what features the server admin has activated. I've heard many complaints about XMPP but this is the first I've heard someone mention lack of features as a problem with it.
Server-side chat logfiles that are distributed to all connecting clients? I've never looked into the protocol, but I'm pretty sure that one is lacking.
I haven't heard of an extension that does that either, but I'm not sure that would scale well for busy long-running Multi User Chats.
But the benefit of XMPP is that a new extension can be proposed that does this if enough people want such a feature. Personally I would argue that a better approach would be to make Public MUC logs accessible and searchable via a web interface and to have the client log chats going forward from when they join (with offline messaging from the server so you don't have to be online the whole time).