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I'm sorry but that article has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Every country on earth executes informants.
That's sort of the point I was making though (even though I couldn't see the article, that's the story that seemed to dominate when I searched in Google). On paper, that's "collaborating" with Isreal leading to execution (GP: "they'd risk execution for "collaboration" if they did this" ). I suspect that there was a (horrible) case like this that was promoted within Israel to drive the sort of talk that I was respondi…
Mentor startups in Gaza
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Re: Mentor startups in Gaza
#62Sorry if I'm being rude, but this sounds like a really bad joke. "This building is the new place for your new startup, the burocracy is atrocious and humiliating; not people neither prime matters can enter or go out freely from here, and the entire place is systematically ravaged and firebombed each two or three years killing your workers, otherwise is fine." "Last year this nice new zone is flattened and 'cleaned' o…
I started 3 startups in North Iraq, perhaps not so much of a warzone these days, but still affected by all the drama coming out of it.
The problems I was facing were almost the same when I did my other startup in Sydney Australia, except there were some other odds added to it.
In fact Nokia Maps acquired my startup and it was we had such low burning rate / solving a real problem using proper technology.
So I guess investing in them would make sense at the end of the day if you know what and which ones to go for.
Re: Mentor startups in Gaza
#63Sorry if I'm being rude, but this sounds like a really bad joke. "This building is the new place for your new startup, the burocracy is atrocious and humiliating; not people neither prime matters can enter or go out freely from here, and the entire place is systematically ravaged and firebombed each two or three years killing your workers, otherwise is fine." "Last year this nice new zone is flattened and 'cleaned' o…
In HN comments, please don't use quotes to look like you're quoting things that you in fact made up.
Re: Mentor startups in Gaza
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
In HN comments, please don't use quotes to look like you're quoting things that you in fact made up.
Sorry if this had lead to confusion. This is not a quotation, at least not in this sense. I'm talking about a joke and explaining the "joke" in the next paragraphs in a sarcastic (but honest) way, hence the use of quotes. It would have been really rude of me not quoting my text when I'm talking about thousands of people 'cleaned' from an area. Never was supposed to be taken as a literal extract from the web linked, o…
Re: Mentor startups in Gaza
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"the terrorists that have power in Gaza". You start from the wrong premise. You're defining them terrorists because that allows you to dismiss their fight as "terrorism". Given that Israel is an occupying power in Gaza (yes, "in January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be part of the Occupie…
There are several things wrong with your argument. Usually, I don't respond to things like this — but I have come to learn that commenters on Hacker News are unusually reasonable and intelligent people, so I decided to make an effort and explain all things wrong with this statement. (These are separate and atomic arguments, which don't depend on each other logically). 1. You assume that "terrorist" and "freedom fight…
2) It's often repeated that Israel has withdrawn from Gaza in 2005, and what it got in return? Only hatred and terrorism. Well, this make it sound like Israel made peace with Gaza and gave it absolute freedom, but this is completely false. Israel removed its settlers from Gaza, but retained total control over its airspace, maritime access and all borders. Would you call Israel free if Iran had complete control of your airspace, coasts and borders? Oh, no, what an idea! Israel would be under siege! And so it is for Gaza. After Hamas won democratic elections in Gaza in 2006 (with an electoral platform that among other things renounced the call for the destruction of Israel), Israel shut the borders of Gaza preventing the flow of people and goods. As a consequence of that, 70% of Gaza's workforce are unemployed and 80% of its residents live in poverty.
3) I don't know where you're getting this idea that the goal of Hamas (I suppose you're talking about Hamas) is to "murder all the Jews". The original charter of Hamas, dated 1988, calls for the end of Israel but stresses, in two separate articles, that it "strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned". (Yes, Judaism is explicitly included). It's an extremists' manifesto, no doubts. But no murdering of the Jews as far as I can see. Then, in the elections of 2006, the electoral platform explicitly renounced the (political, not physical, which was never even contemplated) end of Israel and embraced a two states solution. Now, consider Likud, which just won another election in Israel. Its charter states that Likud flatly opposes a two-states solution, and it wants to gain to Israel all land west of the Jordan. Its leader Netanyahu was elected just the other day after promising that with him no two states solution was possible. Who's calling for the demise of the other?
As for the Israelis that wouldn't even respond to me.. well, seen the results of the recent elections, I doubt that the majority of Israelis are even vaguely aware of what the reality of the situation is and of what would be a balanced point of view. Israel is very rapidly losing the sympathies of the western world - a good part of which it had never earned with its actions but were just the results of the west's sense of guilt. Israelis seem hypnotized by some desire of revenge and total military victory, and completely incapable of seeing their own faults. Nothing good can come out of it, for anybody.
Re: Mentor startups in Gaza
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The questions that people sharing your position unfortunately don't ask themselves are different. Try "What actions can Israel do to change it" and "what will this result in", for starters. Try to put yourself in Israel's place. Just imagine it for a minute. Israel disengaged from Gaza 10 years ago. What did it get in return? More security? Less attacks? Better relationship with organisations governing the territory?…
If I were israel, I would say, I have to figure out what I want. Do I want the territory from the river to the sea? if so, we annex all the land and it becomes 1 person/1 vote and you have to accept that all the refugees return to the land. Israel doesnt want this because there will be an arab majority (I wonder how that happened...). That's what I would do if I were israel. The Other option is 2 states (which is act…
1) Get a government that can be trusted to follow on promises
2) Promise to stop trying to kill us
That's pretty much it. We don't need the land, we don't need the walls, we don't need missiles.