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Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by tek-cyb-org »

golergka wrote: post #15
asadlionpk wrote: post #14

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Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.

I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.

"less acts of terror we'll have to endure.".. smh

How about the acts of terror that Palestinians endure by israeli occupiers? Oh wait... Palestinians are not jewish so its okay... .they werent chosen by god to be shipped in from europe and the north america to get a free homeland.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by guelo »

Curmudgel wrote: post #49
guelo wrote: post #47

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The terrorists just got reelected in Israel too. I'm always amazed that Israelis believe their government's propaganda about "human shields" used to excuse terrorist acts like the bombing of UN schools.

The UNRWA has found rockets in their schools on multiple occasions: http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-...

There were no rockets in the UN schools that IDF shelled while thousands of people were taking shelter.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by aidos »

tek-cyb-org wrote: post #50
aidos wrote: post #6

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Do you have anything to back that up? I'd be interested in reading about it. Edit: I can see there's an article here that sounds like the root of this sort of statement but I can't read any details because I'm in a really remote place with very little internet. Over the last couple of days I've discovered that the wired world no longer cares for those with 7kbs connections :-) http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast…

I'm sorry but that article has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Every country on earth executes informants.

That's sort of the point I was making though (even though I couldn't see the article, that's the story that seemed to dominate when I searched in Google).

On paper, that's "collaborating" with Isreal leading to execution (GP: "they'd risk execution for "collaboration" if they did this").

I suspect that there was a (horrible) case like this that was promoted within Israel to drive the sort of talk that I was responding to. An incident is taken out of context, rebranded and sold as normal behaviour by a demon state.

I'd like to see the articles about people in Gaza being killed for getting support from people in Israel.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by this2shallPass »

pvaldes wrote: post #40
wazoox wrote: post #24

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To support people of Gaza through something really helpful and not politically laden, I'd guess.

If we really want to help the people of Gaza we need first to put the people that killed children, women and innocent men of Gaza, in front of an international trial. And stop voting to them. Is as simple as that. We need also to stop tolerating to be labelled as "anti-semitic behaviour" to bona fide criticizing Israel for breaking repeatedly a lot of international laws about human rights, each three years, and for t…

>If we really want to help the people of Gaza we need first to put the people that killed children, women and innocent men of Gaza, in front of an international trial. And stop voting to them. Is as simple as that.

Sounds good. When are we putting Hamas and other militant groups going to the ICC (because their local justice systems are so unable to promote justice)?

>We need also to stop tolerating to be labelled as "anti-semitic behaviour" to bona fide criticizing Israel for breaking repeatedly a lot of international laws about human rights, each three years, and for treating palestinian people as human cockroaches.

Seems fair to hold Israel to any standard every other country is held to. Do it!

>In the last years USA and Europe were repeatedly urged to pay with trucks full of money the last "Gaza reconstruction". We paid for rebuilding exactly the same UN schools and hospitals that Israel bombed meticulously the last year, in some cases even with UN workers inside.

If Israel meticulously bombed the schools and hospitals, would any be standing? They have a lot of bombs and the ability to target fairly precisely for a military- isn't it weird so many hospitals and schools are undamaged? The Israeli military are either incompetent or didn't meticulously target these places.

>with the silliest excuses. What would an unsilly reason look like? Indiscriminate attacks on civilians doesn't seem to fulfill your requirements.

>There is also the problem that Israel controls the economy of Gaza, so there is not any guarantee that the money for palestinians will not be used instead in buying new bombs to replace that were dropped.

I didn't know Israel controls all money going in to Gaza. I know they collect tax money on behalf of the PLO and monitor, along with Egypt, all good coming in (excluding those that are smuggled in of course). It's worth looking into how Israel's gets military aid- a coupon from the US government. They aren't stealing other people's money and spending it. Even the tax money they're withholding from the PLO is sitting in accounts, not being spent.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by dang »

pvaldes wrote: post #21

Sorry if I'm being rude, but this sounds like a really bad joke. "This building is the new place for your new startup, the burocracy is atrocious and humiliating; not people neither prime matters can enter or go out freely from here, and the entire place is systematically ravaged and firebombed each two or three years killing your workers, otherwise is fine." "Last year this nice new zone is flattened and 'cleaned' o…

In HN comments, please don't use quotes to look like you're quoting things that you in fact made up.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by jbooth »

pliny wrote: post #43
pvaldes wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we really want to help the people of Gaza we need first to put the people that killed children, women and innocent men of Gaza, in front of an international trial. And stop voting to them. Is as simple as that. We need also to stop tolerating to be labelled as "anti-semitic behaviour" to bona fide criticizing Israel for breaking repeatedly a lot of international laws about human rights, each three years, and for t…

I don't want to get into a political argument - but I will say that helping Gazans by directly improving their quality of life (like the OP proposed) is neither mutually exclusive with, nor dependent on, helping Gazans by promoting their cause politically. It is a defeatist stance to take, in general, that you should abstain from treating a symptom just because it won't also cure the disease and in that sense I think…

Not to mention, empowering moderate and scientifically minded Gazans is probably one of the more productive things one could do to contribute to eventual resolution of the conflict.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by notyourgrandma »

lordnacho wrote: post #42

So, what are conditions like? Is there a talent pool? Is infrastructure working (Do they have brownouts, are there a lot of people with internet)? Is it easy for investors to get their money in and out?

Lord - Conditions are no-doubt tough, but there is internet infrastructure, and there is most definitely talent. Brownouts do occur in the evenings. Gaza Sky Geeks also has a generator so that entrepreneurs in the co-working space can work late. Investing is not an issue. There's a new $9M fund that just formed to focus on Gaza.

Check out the Indiegogo page - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/save-gaza-s-only-startup-.... It has a ton of info

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by tek-cyb-org »

golergka wrote: post #41
Udik wrote: post #39

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And the action that prompted it to the action of the other side that prompted it before.. ad infinitum. The only way out of this loop is to ask yourself "who's occupying whose territory? Who's preventing the others from becoming a state? And who does the most killing"? And for all three questions, the answer is always Israel.

The questions that people sharing your position unfortunately don't ask themselves are different. Try "What actions can Israel do to change it" and "what will this result in", for starters. Try to put yourself in Israel's place. Just imagine it for a minute. Israel disengaged from Gaza 10 years ago. What did it get in return? More security? Less attacks? Better relationship with organisations governing the territory?…

If I were israel, I would say, I have to figure out what I want. Do I want the territory from the river to the sea? if so, we annex all the land and it becomes 1 person/1 vote and you have to accept that all the refugees return to the land. Israel doesnt want this because there will be an arab majority (I wonder how that happened...). That's what I would do if I were israel. The Other option is 2 states (which is actually what is written in international law btw), 1967 boarders with east Jerusalem as the palestinian capital, stop occupation and remove all settlers, checkpoints, military bases, etc from palestinian territories and maybe no right of return to to refugees who's houses and land were stolen inside of what is now called israel. They will return to palestine 1967 boarder.

How about we start there. No justice, no peace.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by tek-cyb-org »

golergka wrote: post #18
plug wrote: post #13

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Thanks for your answer. Maybe my use of the word repercussions was a bit strong - I don't know much about attitudes there and I am asking out of curiosity, not as a challenge etc. In any case, it sounds like the general population are empathetic, and there would be little or no prejudice from your peers etc. These are small, but good things. So... if there were no risks of collaboration for Gazans, I assume there wou…

If all effects of warmongering and racist propaganda (on both sides, to different extent) were to disappear too, definitely. (BTW, I may not represent an average israeli — living in TLV, more leftist, less racist part of the country.)

But you use the same EXACT propaganda that the far right uses. 87% supported the massacre of palestinian civilians in gaza. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-sup...

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by tek-cyb-org »

golergka wrote: post #18
plug wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your answer. Maybe my use of the word repercussions was a bit strong - I don't know much about attitudes there and I am asking out of curiosity, not as a challenge etc. In any case, it sounds like the general population are empathetic, and there would be little or no prejudice from your peers etc. These are small, but good things. So... if there were no risks of collaboration for Gazans, I assume there wou…

If all effects of warmongering and racist propaganda (on both sides, to different extent) were to disappear too, definitely. (BTW, I may not represent an average israeli — living in TLV, more leftist, less racist part of the country.)

But you use the same EXACT propaganda that the far right uses. 87% supported the massacre of palestinian civilians in gaza. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-sup...
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