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Re: The Shut-In Economy

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post #174

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With no knead bread, sous vide, a pressure cooker, and a tiny bit of planning you can have from scratch meals with less than 5 minutes hands on time per day.

best troll ever

I am not trolling - cooking has never been less skill demanding than now. If you spend time anyway in the kitchen why bother with subscriptions.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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So would you say there's now a greater efficiency to your social interactions knowing that they are, for the most part, more uncommon? There could be something to be gained by learning not to take personal transactions for granted, but I'm curious as to whether there's any proof/metrics for that. Also, playing devil's advocate, but I don't see how the online shopping experience is any better - sure, there isn't human…

The online shopping experience doesn't require me to find my shoes and generally doesn't have fixed hours. Also, at this point, online shops often offer better security.

What do you mean by security in this context?

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post #89

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Tough love doesn't work here. Logic doesn't penetrate. Worse, I worry you could come across as trivializing addiction, depression and other mental health issues. When in doubt seek help. That is what we need to encourage. And I know first hand how hard it is to seek help and keep seeking it, but the very act can be its own little bit of healing.

No, I think parent is exactly right. I feel similar to the OP, but I know for sure it's not a depression. And I think I suffer the same problem the parent described. The real world just seems so messy and complicated compared to virtual worlds. You may call it a mental health issue, but it is neither addiction nor depression; if anything, it's just not being addicted to real world enough.

How do you know it is not depression? This is a very personal topic, but I never thought of myself as depressed until I fell into a hole so deep that I had to search for medical help (and then I still thought about EVERYTHING but depression: High-functional autism, ADHD, whatever ..) - diagnosis and therapy helped me tremendously and looking back there would've been zero chance for me to recognize that I was suffering from depression on my own. It's one of the hallmarks of depression to rationalize it away "don't be such a wuzz ... all is fine, you are lazy, stop doing that", so it's very risky to say "I know for sure it's not a depression" - you are probably the worst judge for that (just to make this clear: It's your life, if you feel all is fine and you just don't want to go out then it is fine, enjoy your life - my comment is only intended as a second perspective on a real serious issue).

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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I don't feel like ordering things online makes me a shut-in at all - just the opposite. I work a lot, and by spending less time on the drudgery of brick-and-mortar shopping, I have more time to spend on the things that matter to me. Including socializing. Yeah, maybe I leave the house less, but are those trips to the store really "quality time?" Making a run to Wal-Mart or the supermarket to buy toilet paper is time…

> Retail shopping is usually freaking depressing - the employees and customers are often rude, and you're bombarded from all angles with sights and sounds designed to entice (or scare) you into buying things you don't need. No thank you. That's not about retail, that's about urban life. I live in a town of less than 2,000 people. There's one grocery store, and when you go there you recognize at least half the people…

> In 2015, there is less need than ever for us to all live in the same few places.

That's an interesting perspective. I've heard (and believe) the exact opposite. In 2015, there's no need to incur the (well-studied) economic, environmental, and cultural costs of low population density. Not to mention it's kind of bizarre to assume that it's clearly _better_ that having a population of only 2,000 people from which to meet people and make friends.

Your environment is what you make of it. I used to live in a smaller town and now that I live in a dense metropolis, I meet people and make new friends CONSTANTLY (not even joking, just this week I've (platonically) gotten 2 people's numbers based on meeting, finding mutual interests, and both of us wanting to hang out).

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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post #24

This is how I feel. I don't watch TV for hours like I did as a child. What I do now is worse; stay in doors programming, browsing the web aimlessly, or staring at the ceiling. I don't blame my internet lifestyle for this really, but I literally don't know what else to do and the internet is so accommodating to me being a shut-in. I know I'm wasting my life but I don't know how to stop. San Francisco is a beautiful ci…

Your self awareness is commendable. I'd hazard a guess that you belong here more than you think you do. Just recognize that beauty when you see it, and keep supporting the locals. It's a city of immigrants.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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post #68

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Same here. Live in a beautiful city, cool friends, lovely girlfriend. Plenty of things exist here of which I can objectively say they're awesome, and in many things I'm genuinely interested, and so I avidly read and follow the news, whether it's social topics, economics, politics, tech etc. Yet I hold very little interest in experiencing anything personally. If I had to describe it succinctly; I've become a dedicated…

>cool friends, lovely girlfriend. I don't have any of those.

Have you tried Meetup? I screwed up my work-life balance towards the very end of college so I graduated both rusty at meeting people and in a situation that many people find hard (making friends in a new city post-college, particularly when all my coworkers lived 40 miles away from me, were older than me, and I didn't have a car). My gf at the time suggested Meetup, and though I initially dismissed it as "embarrassing" ("Jesus I need to use a service to find friends? How pathetic"), I eventually tried it out and made some really good friends pretty immediately (as well as a much larger circle of friendly acquaintances who I still see semi-regularly). Though perhaps that was specific to my problem, since at the time (and now) I was always bursting with new things to do but was lacking people to do them with.

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"It's an actual chemical imbalance" It's actually a hypothesis that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance.

I wish more people knew this. The entire "chemical imbalance" shtick is a myth. If you are ever told this, your response should be, "What chemical? What level am I at? What level should I be at?".. But, alas, there is no blood test, or any other kind of test, which can yet determine this. That's not science.

A myth?

Put yourself in my shoes: Do I believe some Internet commenter without further evidence, or do I believe Robert Sapolsky?

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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post #24

This is how I feel. I don't watch TV for hours like I did as a child. What I do now is worse; stay in doors programming, browsing the web aimlessly, or staring at the ceiling. I don't blame my internet lifestyle for this really, but I literally don't know what else to do and the internet is so accommodating to me being a shut-in. I know I'm wasting my life but I don't know how to stop. San Francisco is a beautiful ci…

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Re: The Shut-In Economy

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After the last Soylent discussion here, I reevaluated my diet and ended up going with emeals to do breakfast/lunch/dinner plans. Food went from $300/mo to $450/mo. It go to show that there's a lot of variance!. I don't feel like the old meal plan was worse, it certainly felt adequate. (But I am getting 2 more good meals a day.) Edit: I just realized that's your per-person figure. Mine is for two. That is quite expens…

> Edit: I just realized that's your per-person figure. Mine is for two. That is quite expensive :( $450 a month is definitely a lot by my standards, where/what do you tend to buy? But comparing it to his $60/w, $240/m, isn't quite fair. His meal plan is for 6 meals at $10 a meal. Considering you'll want a meal everyday, that's $300 a month and that's just for dinner. If you add breakfast and lunch he's either paying…

I'm actually buying less processed food now than before (funnily, this has also reversed the mostly recyclables trash trend in the household). Not especially expensive ingredients, generally substituting similar cheaper meats. One note is that we've been testing the paleo meal plans. A week of that pretty quickly ate up a third of the $450 budget. Representative meal plans for the rest of the month:

Dinner - http://emeals.com/meal-plans/30-minute/emeals-30-minute-fami...

Breakfast - http://emeals.com/meal-plans/breakfast/emeals-breakfast-plan...

Lunch - http://emeals.com/meal-plans/lunch/emeals-lunch-plan.pdf

Lots of fun little optimizations could be made here and in fact that's something I've been playing with. 2 months ago was baseline "exactly as the meal plan dictates" month, the next month I rotated Paleo -> Budget plan after we spent the first third of the budget, this month we are choosing half of the meals off of the family size 30 minute meal plan. Next month might include larger meals so more lunches can be made from leftovers, but I really enjoy a lunch that's not the same as a previous dinner. Brightens the middle of my work day.

Crunching numbers, I was actually replying to nahname spending $100cad/week/person == $80/week/person. $450 is $56/week/person. $8/day feels damn good considering that's a combo meal at Wendy's!

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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post #20

>So here’s the big question. What does she, or you, or any of us do with all this time we’re buying? Binge on Netflix shows? Go for a run? Van Ekert’s answer: “It’s more to dedicate more time to working.” Meh. It's specialization. It's been happening since everyone figured out Og makes better clubs than everyone else and he'll make you one if you give him food. Most of the people reading this site have a skill that b…

Yes, but working every waking hour is a good way to burn out. Cleaning your own toilet might be inefficient but it will remind you that you are human.

> Cleaning your own toilet might be inefficient but it will remind you that you are human.

Woah what? I know you're not being literal here, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that having a high-paying job automatically makes you feel like you're better than everyone else and doing mundane chores reminds you you're all people?[1]

The problem with that is "thinking you're better than everyone else" in the first place, not "missing out on mundane chores".

[1] Apologies if I'm misinterpreting you here: if so, what did you mean instead?

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