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Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#11
Is this "espresso" format the future for the economist? There should be a link to the full article at least, I read this rag purely for the analysis and this format is a bit short on that.

here it is in full: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21646802...

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#12
post #6

In the UK, there have been quite a few TV ads from Facebook recently. Yesterday, after watching another one, my girlfriend commented: "Even Facebook is making ads now - this tells us a lot about how well things are going for them."

Heh, good point. Google advertises on Google but I have hardly seen a Google ad outside of a page that displays Google ads. Disclaimer: I don't watch TV.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#13

Facebook is expected to say that it will turn its app - called Messenger - which has 500m users, into a "platform". That means others will be able to develop software for it (for gaming, hotel bookings, tickets and so on). Doesn't FaceBook have form in encouraging people to use its interfaces and facilities, and then either cutting them off or starting to charge unexpectedly? I wonder what guarantees they will give t…

There is no such guarantee. Right now, the publishing industry is in its own conundrum on how to deal with Facebook. FB is reportedly in talks with content providers, including the New York Times, to publish content directly on FB's platform...the ostensible reason being that it provides a better user experience. Publishers would get more eyeballs and presumably some cut of the ad revenue, and publishers who don't go for this, well, they may find their external content more and more deprioritized. As the Atlantic pointed out [1], back in 2011, Facebook announced "social reader" apps and news orgs jumped on...and when FB decided less than a year later to drop the effort, well, all those efforts were wasted.

FB is in a much stronger position now, and conversely, publishers have only gotten weaker. Ideally, publishers would take the tack that you've described...FB will undoubtedly provide some kind of API that would make it easy for news orgs to export their CMS data as easily as they do for their print and web editions...if publishers don't like how things are going, then they just pull out, and their API points to another platform.

The problem is that publishers are very weak financially and have shown very little ability to innovate. And consumers have shown mostly apathy about the way their daily attention is diverted to social networking and linkbait...so news publishers have serious existential issues on top of their financial ones.

1. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/facebo...

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#14

Ugh. At least the world has managed to have "Email" as a standard, a medium, that is not controlled by any huge corporation's grubby claws. Why not with chat? What happened to this? Why is there a war for my data with these big companies, who do NOT have our best interests in mind, and never will? Why can't we have a federated standard for chat, controlled by no one? It seems that we have come close at various times…

XMPP?

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#15
First they separated messaging from the Facebook app where you can have games and apps and stuff and now they are integrating all that back. Why? Personally I absolutely prefer a slim messaging app not bloated with more or less unrelated stuff.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#16
This is different from the "browser wars", because the thing that people are trying to access through their choice of messenger app does not look, feel, and function differently depending on which one they choose. The experience doesn't break because one chat application decides to implement one feature and others don't because they aren't supposed to work together.

It's similar, however, in that consumers have a lot of choice, with no one chat application really being that much better than any other in terms of features or experience, just that if we could just get everyone on one and for that one application to continue to improve, everything would be great, in theory.

This isn't going to stop any time soon.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Ugh. At least the world has managed to have "Email" as a standard, a medium, that is not controlled by any huge corporation's grubby claws. Why not with chat? What happened to this? Why is there a war for my data with these big companies, who do NOT have our best interests in mind, and never will? Why can't we have a federated standard for chat, controlled by no one? It seems that we have come close at various times…

>Why can't we have a federated standard for chat, controlled by no one? It seems that we have come close at various times but it has never happened. Will it ever happen? Or is it already too late?

This is why I simply love IRC.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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post #6

In the UK, there have been quite a few TV ads from Facebook recently. Yesterday, after watching another one, my girlfriend commented: "Even Facebook is making ads now - this tells us a lot about how well things are going for them."

Heh, good point. Google advertises on Google but I have hardly seen a Google ad outside of a page that displays Google ads. Disclaimer: I don't watch TV.

Google did heavy advertising over here in the UK for Chrome. Billboards everywhere.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

#19

Ugh. At least the world has managed to have "Email" as a standard, a medium, that is not controlled by any huge corporation's grubby claws. Why not with chat? What happened to this? Why is there a war for my data with these big companies, who do NOT have our best interests in mind, and never will? Why can't we have a federated standard for chat, controlled by no one? It seems that we have come close at various times…

IRC? I think that would be the closest analogue to email. Open standard, many implementations.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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post #6

In the UK, there have been quite a few TV ads from Facebook recently. Yesterday, after watching another one, my girlfriend commented: "Even Facebook is making ads now - this tells us a lot about how well things are going for them."

Heh, good point. Google advertises on Google but I have hardly seen a Google ad outside of a page that displays Google ads. Disclaimer: I don't watch TV.

Saw adverts for Chrome browser on the Tube a few years back
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