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Re: Welcome to OpenBSD [pdf]

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Post by zdw » Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 1:06 PM UTC

jlgaddis wrote: post #37

kijiki wrote: post #25

"OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication" Ummm. Citation needed?

Yeah, that was my first thought, too. In all my years in networking, I've ran exactly one instance of OpenBGPD and that's used simply for real-time updates of (anti-spam) blacklists and whitelists [0,1]. [0]: http://bgp-spamd.net/ [1]: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-sp...

http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html

Also, most large service providers don't tend to talk about their internal implementations.

Many in the networking field have been indoctrinated in a Cisco-only philosophy, and then get hired into that monoculture over and over to the point they don't know about anything else, other than if it's something viewed as a Cisco competitor.

Re: Welcome to OpenBSD [pdf]

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Post by jethro_tell » Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 1:30 PM UTC

iso8859-1 wrote: post #38

BorisMelnik wrote: post #28

you are my hero, not just for all the awesome OpenBSD contributions and dedication but for the fact that you still maintain a GOPHER protocol'd site! gopher://gopher.anthrobsd.net/

do you know what gopher server is in use?

If I remember correctly it is The Gophernicus Project.

http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/gophernicus.org/ or you can use the overbite extension for firefox.

Re: Welcome to OpenBSD [pdf]

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Post by BorisMelnik » Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 6:58 PM UTC

jethro_tell wrote: post #42

iso8859-1 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you know what gopher server is in use?

If I remember correctly it is The Gophernicus Project. http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/gophernicus.org/ or you can use the overbite extension for firefox.

yes that is one. I remember accessing txt files via gopher on university systems back in the 90's. It was similar to browsing an FTP directory via a web browser, with a few more features.

Re: Welcome to OpenBSD [pdf]

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Post by calvin_ » Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 9:44 PM UTC

justincormack wrote: post #29

dwc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You left off the following bullet point: * NetBSD technically did it first * But OpenBSD is the one who engaged with the rest of the software community to fix bugs that were uncovered Now it doesn't seem so backhanded.

Well I think actually NetBSD just made less noise about it. You can call that "engaging with the community", and it can be helpful but since NetBSD switched in 2012 it was not the case that there was no engagement in making software work if it needed fixing.

The thing is to ask and poke pre-emptively before problems actually occur.

Re: Welcome to OpenBSD [pdf]

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Post by jlgaddis » Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 11:52 PM UTC

zdw wrote: post #41

jlgaddis wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that was my first thought, too. In all my years in networking, I've ran exactly one instance of OpenBGPD and that's used simply for real-time updates of (anti-spam) blacklists and whitelists [0,1]. [0]: http://bgp-spamd.net/ [1]: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-sp...

http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html Also, most large service providers don't tend to talk about their internal implementations. Many in the networking field have been indoctrinated in a Cisco-only philosophy, and then get hired into that monoculture over and over to the point they don't know about anything else, other than if it's something viewed as a Cisco competitor.

Sorry, I never doubted that there are large organizations that run OpenBGPD -- it's just that I, myself, have never personally encountered one (meaningless, I know).

I do know that it's used quite often as a route server/reflector at various IXPs (and I may be standing up an instance to do just that in the near future as well) as well as a looking glass. I've managed routers from most of the large manufacturers (Cisco, Juniper, Brocade, HP/H3C, ALU, Mikrotik) and I took a good hard look at OpenBGPD a while back for a customer project so I am aware that it is quite feature-rich and capable and I certainly didn't intend to imply (if it came across that way) that it's not.

Really, the thing that I took issue with was:

> OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication

It was followed up with:

> Correction: 20% of ISPs using OpenBGPD

That claim may very well be technically correct, but it strikes me as similar to, e.g., someone claiming that 90% of users on the Internet "use Linux" simply because their traffic may have {passed through|been directed to} a {router|server|firewall} that runs Linux.