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Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by MichaelGG »

hughes wrote: post #11

This is unbelievable. As in, I literally can't believe it. There's no way they've come up with a full-resolution, head-mounted, transparent, additive and multiplicative display attached to a computer vision system capable of identifying light sources and nearby geometry that also has 100% perfect hand tracking with haptic feedback. I also don't believe anyone would make such bizarre, quasi-pornographic grunting noise…

Perhaps it's a head mounted display and all that geometry, the desks and walls and stuff on the desks, is built into the game level. If they really have a holographic display that's super thin, it seems like the rest could be hacked around.

As far as the grunting, how is it any different than having a Nerf gunfight or pingpong or whatever people are into at the office?

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by MichaelGG »

teraflop wrote: post #17
nknighthb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must have missed the perfect hand tracking. Could you share where it was? All I saw was rather exaggerated movements to make things work.

The interface widgets appear to be occluded by the user's hand, with no visible artifacts even when the hand is moving quickly. That means the system has to be tracking the hand and somehow separating it from the background, with latency of much less than a single frame. EDIT: here's a particularly blatant example, around 0:17: http://i.imgur.com/8mSv8oC.jpg The user is swiping from right to left, causing their hand…

If you had head mounted cameras, they could feed depth info to layer the UI, as you say. And if the display is covering your eyes completely, then feeding video in...? We don't get to see what the guy looks like, just what he's seeing. Maybe he's got 15lbs of Heath Robinson equipment on his head.

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by frik »

hughes wrote: post #11

This is unbelievable. As in, I literally can't believe it. There's no way they've come up with a full-resolution, head-mounted, transparent, additive and multiplicative display attached to a computer vision system capable of identifying light sources and nearby geometry that also has 100% perfect hand tracking with haptic feedback. I also don't believe anyone would make such bizarre, quasi-pornographic grunting noise…

It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR.

Video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM

Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Workshop , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Digital

It's called augmented reality and more basic implementations are already possible for some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality

@Downvoter: what's wrong?

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by mwilcox »

duffmancd wrote: post #23
teraflop wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the gun is a real, physical object -- I mean, it even casts shadows on the user's arm. It's probably just the enemies, HUD and glowy, flashy special effects that are rendered in VR, and those should be more forgiving of slight positional inaccuracies.

Especially as it comes from Weta workshop who originally designed the weapon ( https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Righteous_Bison ) - if anyone has a physical copy it's them

WETA have been selling physical replicas of these weapons for years: https://www.wetanz.com/rayguns/

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by teraflop »

frik wrote: post #33
hughes wrote: post #11

This is unbelievable. As in, I literally can't believe it. There's no way they've come up with a full-resolution, head-mounted, transparent, additive and multiplicative display attached to a computer vision system capable of identifying light sources and nearby geometry that also has 100% perfect hand tracking with haptic feedback. I also don't believe anyone would make such bizarre, quasi-pornographic grunting noise…

It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR. Video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Workshop , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Digital It's called augme…

I didn't downvote you, but I suspect it's because this whole comment thread is about trying to determine whether or not the video is real footage of Magic Leap's tech. Asserting that it is or it isn't, without something to back up that assertion, isn't all that helpful. Nowhere in the video description does it say that it's just a concept.

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by rodgerd »

frik wrote: post #33
hughes wrote: post #11

This is unbelievable. As in, I literally can't believe it. There's no way they've come up with a full-resolution, head-mounted, transparent, additive and multiplicative display attached to a computer vision system capable of identifying light sources and nearby geometry that also has 100% perfect hand tracking with haptic feedback. I also don't believe anyone would make such bizarre, quasi-pornographic grunting noise…

It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR. Video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Workshop , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Digital It's called augme…

> It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR.

It's worth noting Peter Jackson has made an entire documentary on a forgotten genius of the New Zealand film industry that turned out to be a (good-natured) hoax. I'm perfectly prepared to believe the guy responsible for Forgotten Silver would have a team around him who might do the same for VR.

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by pgodzin »

hobo_mark wrote: post #25

Although I used to enjoy quake2 when I was young, I don't feel the appeal of shooting games anymore, or videogames in general. That is to say, I have been on both sides of the fence and I still vividly remember the sweaty excitement of a deathmatch. Now, my first impression to this and to other AR (and VR) demos is, "Isn't this literally a new Columbine waiting to happen?". (NOTE: I do not mean the incident, those se…

I think anyone who has issues distinguishing between virtual reality and the real world will have issues regardless of whether or not they play these types of games. I don't think there is any study out there showing that violent video games make people any more violent.

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by [deleted] »

frik wrote: post #33
hughes wrote: post #11

This is unbelievable. As in, I literally can't believe it. There's no way they've come up with a full-resolution, head-mounted, transparent, additive and multiplicative display attached to a computer vision system capable of identifying light sources and nearby geometry that also has 100% perfect hand tracking with haptic feedback. I also don't believe anyone would make such bizarre, quasi-pornographic grunting noise…

It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR. Video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Workshop , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Digital It's called augme…

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Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by mbleigh »

I don't even understand the purpose of a video like this. The only thing it tells me is what Magic Leap hopes their tech will some day achieve.

Blatantly conceptual and given that it's being released in lieu of in-person presentations, one can only assume that they didn't want to have to publicly explain it.

Re: A demo that Magic Leap was going to show at TED

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Post by frik »

teraflop wrote: post #35
frik wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a concept video done by a special effects company well known for The Lord of the Rings and Avatar. The YT description "This is a game we’re playing around the office right now" is a bit provocative and without a real demonstration it's just PR. Video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Workshop , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weta_Digital It's called augme…

I didn't downvote you, but I suspect it's because this whole comment thread is about trying to determine whether or not the video is real footage of Magic Leap's tech. Asserting that it is or it isn't, without something to back up that assertion, isn't all that helpful. Nowhere in the video description does it say that it's just a concept.

> without something to back up that assertion, isn't all that helpful

The video credits list Weta prominently - that's alone is a significant signal. The guns are props from Weta too: https://www.wetanz.com/rayguns/

CEO Rony Abovitz, who was supposed to go onstage at the TED conference in Vancouver on Wednesday, has canceled his talk. Why would a CEO cancel such a high profile talk and release that video afterwards? More info: http://recode.net/2015/03/16/magic-leap-googles-high-profile... , http://recode.net/2015/03/19/the-first-video-of-magic-leaps-... .

I tested two state of the art augmented reality glasses (university research prototypes) last year. The glass was connected (via cable) to a workstation PC with several high end NVidia graphic cards. One also used Xbox Kinect to track the environment and the arms. Everything shown in the video is already possible, but not with that perfect visual quality and without any latency.

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