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Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by SilasX »

baddox wrote: post #199
SilasX wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He explicitly says not to report crimes? Note that he talks to a cop in the video.

Again, I haven't watched the video for several years, but I thought I remembered him using the example of a police officer coming to an apartment complex and asking residents questions about a recent reported crime. I don't think reporting crimes came up, and it probably doesn't apply, since when you call 911 you (as far as I know) do not talk to police officers.

It applies. Again, note how many "nevers" he gives and how exceptionless his advice is. Is the idea that, when the police follow up, you keep saying, "sorry I can't talk to you even though I want your assistance; give me that 911 lady again"?

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by xgbi »

pluma wrote: post #157
dvirsky wrote: post #109

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How can saying "Yes, I know" get you into bigger trouble than a speeding ticket? At best you can try to lie and state a legal speed if you were going in a borderline speed. Anyway, it could be different in the US (I'm from Israel, where police is brutal only if you're Palestinian or holding a political rally. Otherwise they're mostly useless). I only got pulled once, for not coming to a complete stop on a stop sign (…

No indicates recklessness. Yes indicates intent. You're screwed either way.

Am I reading all these comments correctly ? You guys were caught in the act and don't even admit it ?

"Do you know how fast you were driving?"

"Yes sir, I'm sorry I was speeding, it's been a stressful day. I have no excuse for this behavior. I won't do it again."

Should be the reasonable answer. Now swallow your pride and pay the fine, and try not to do that again. My kids will thank you.

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by powertower »

x0x0 wrote: post #63
themartorana wrote: post #24

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I feel like at some point in time, entrapment was frowned upon... Unfortunately it's this behavior that reinforces - not helps fix - the often maligned urban/minority fear of ever helping the police in any way ever. Does the entire neighborhood know who committed crimes X? Yes. Will anyone ever talk to the police? Na.

If you read the ferguson report -- and I can't do it justice -- the police were systematically used to assault black people, and use them as a cash source to fund local government. Meanwhile, white people skated on the same charges. I can't do the report justice, but it's utterly appalling. And while white people might not know what is going on, trust me, black people damn sure do. To say the least, this does not imp…

I've looked over the report, and the only thing I can say on it is that it has no basis in reality, it simply makes narrative-supporting statements and uses disingenuous context-removed statistics to support those statements.

I'd encourage everyone to look into the details, and verify them with reason, instead of wholly accepting the government's and media's narrative and spin.

For example, the report and media claim this:

"Ferguson an apartheid police state: 3 out of 4 residents have open arrest warrants"

Except it seems like the majority of those arrest warrants are for people who where highway driving passing though Ferguson, do not live in the Ferguson municipality, are from a greater area with a much much larger population, and a few of them forgot to show up or pay the fine. So they got a bench warrant (which do not expire).

So this headline might be a blatant lie.

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by cookiecaper »

jessaustin wrote: post #119
skrebbel wrote: post #104

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> (this is not advice, I'm not a lawyer, etc) Related: will people sue you if you don't include that disclaimer?

IANAL, but I believe that in this case the disclaimer is just a courtesy. That is, before one makes a life-altering decision, one should consult a real attorney, not just us morons on HN.

If you don't include it when discussing any vaguely law-related matter, Internet Tough Guys will be quick to call you out for "practicing law without a license". [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9088475

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by Torgo »

praptak wrote: post #92
SilasX wrote: post #69

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Thanks, but I'll continue to report crimes and assist canvassers looking for anyone who saw a suspect. "But he obviously didn't mean that !" Then why the extreme repetition of "never"?

I would seriously consider reporting anything non-lethal in US, see "Good Samaritan Backfire or How I Ended Up in Solitary After Calling 911 for Help" : https://medium.com/human-parts/good-samaritan-backfire-9f53e...

There is a corollary to "don't talk to cops" which is "if you do talk to cops, minimize the encounter" closely followed by "always obey direct order from cop to leave" and concluding with "if you are incarcerated, shut up until you're completely out of confinement."

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by tempestn »

dvirsky wrote: post #193
pluma wrote: post #157

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No indicates recklessness. Yes indicates intent. You're screwed either way.

But what's the worst that could happen? Let's say you're not drunk, you don't have anything illegal in your car, and the speed is nothing too bad. You were just speeding. Can anything you say result in anything worse than a ticket and a fine?

I was just using speeding as an example of an interaction that most of us have probably had at some point. No, you probably won't end up with anything worse than a fine. But just like with more serious matters, you might be getting yourself in trouble unnecessarily. Sometimes police will stop someone they believe to have been speeding, without any evidence to that fact. (They saw you zip by, but don't have you on radar, and didn't get a chance to pace you, for instance.) If you say, "Yes, sorry I was speeding," or, "I thought I was only about 5 over," or whatever, now they can ticket you.

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by tempestn »

jrs235 wrote: post #172
tempestn wrote: post #67

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This is a good point though. What do you folks suggest for the standard traffic stop, along the lines of, "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Presumably both "yes" and "no" would be bad. (The former is obvious, and the latter could mean you're not paying sufficient attention, etc.) So, do you just stare at them in silence? Do you say something like, "I'd rather not answer," which while accurate, sure sounds l…

Officer: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" You: "The speed limit." (Even if going faster than the limit, you were minimally going the limit.) O: "Do you know what the speed limit is?" Y: "Yes, it's [speed limit]" O: "I clocked you at [speed over that is over the limit]. Why do you think that is?" Y: "I don't know Sir, perhaps the device clocked a different vehicle?" O: "There weren't any other vehicles arou…

Lying to the police, even by intentionally misinterpreting the question, is probably a bad idea.

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by tempestn »

mayneack wrote: post #159
skrebbel wrote: post #103

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So how do you google for an appropriate lawyer when in custody and you only get one phone call? Not cynical, I really wonder. I guess the exact same problem exists where I live (the Netherlands).

https://www.popehat.com/2011/05/27/how-to-cold-call-a-lawyer...

"So — you have a name. Either it's the name of someone who has been recommended to you, and they are expecting your call, or it's someone who was on the first page of Google results for +oh +shit +need +lawyer +Pismo Beach +dwarf +public +indecency +hedge-clippers or something.

What do you need to do?"

Ah, PopeHat.

Re: Reminder: Oh, Won't You Please Shut Up? (2011)

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Post by mod »

caseysoftware wrote: post #22
mod wrote: post #8

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Not to mention, I imagine they only play that card when it seems like they need to for one reason or another.

More likely they do something similar relatively often and only spring the trap if they feel it necessary.

Yeah I didn't mean they don't trap you often, rather they don't have to use it that often--certainly not prosecute it often--and therefore the guy doesn't see it that often.

I should have made my opinion more clear, judging by the downvotes.

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