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Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

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Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#81

Why in god's name does a laptop that large not have independent home/end/pgup/pgdn keys. This trend drives me nuts.

They are super-imposed over the arrow keys. Fn+Up = PgUp, Fn+Left = End, etc...

I have the previous year's model and it did take some getting used to.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#82

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I ordered a Lenovo X1 Carbon upgraded to 8gb and i7. Planning to run ubuntu in virtualbox. If that doesn't work out I'll try a dual boot.

I run various distros on my first-gen X1 Carbon and it's awesome. Everything just works. You don't even have to go driver hunting as you do with Windows. The most I had to do was add a kernel parameter to the bootloader to get the brightness keys to work with more granularity. I would highly recommend going native if your workflow allows it.

Been trying to do this with ubuntu on a desktop, but couldn't get a juniper VPN with remote desktop working. I couldn't get the cert installed to log in through the web interface.

I'll give it another shot.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#83
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Oh interesting, this is the M3800 which is Dell's beefy 15" Linux laptop. Glad to see it getting some light. If you're looking for something more portable, the New XPS 13 is in development and is supposed to launch soon. I follow the project lead's blog here: http://bartongeorge.net/ My hats off to the Dell team; they're very open about what they're doing, making better drivers etc. before launching the product. For…

I ordered a Lenovo X1 Carbon upgraded to 8gb and i7. Planning to run ubuntu in virtualbox. If that doesn't work out I'll try a dual boot.

I have a 2nd gen. X1, (the one without the dedicated function keys) and run Arch on it. It's my Dev and play machine, no problems whatsoever and the 2560x1440 screen is addicting. Can't imagine going back to something with less DPI.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

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Was country was that store in? Did you buy it straight from Lenovo or from some of their retail partners?

Strait from Lenovo in Canada. You need to speak with a rep though. I didn't ask for the discount, just mentioned I didn't want Windows and asked about Linux options.

Just spoke with the rep on the phone. She is claiming Lenovo isn't offering a refund for Windows and one has to contact legal department for any further questions.

Is there a phone for calling the Canadian store?

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#85

Dell has achieved feature parity with the Retina MacBook Pro, and has made huge improvements on their last 'MBP competitor', the XPS 15. However, looking at it objectively, the article pretty much sums it up: Thunderbolt port doesn't really work in Ubuntu Application-level 4k scaling issues are pretty much all over the place If all you're after is Linux on a laptop, you can do it for cheaper than the M3800's starting…

Find the weird item in the list? :-)

My bet is on

I kind of hoped the Dell logo on the back would light up, but sadly it doesn't

The rest makes sense, of course. But really, is this particular point worth mentioning?

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#86
post #26

Oh interesting, this is the M3800 which is Dell's beefy 15" Linux laptop. Glad to see it getting some light. If you're looking for something more portable, the New XPS 13 is in development and is supposed to launch soon. I follow the project lead's blog here: http://bartongeorge.net/ My hats off to the Dell team; they're very open about what they're doing, making better drivers etc. before launching the product. For…

I have yet to use a touchpad that works as well as a macbook's... which is pretty sad at this point.. I understand they reduced the travel of the keys and touchpad in the late 2014 releases though... That and the display are the two main reasons I got an rMBP (right before the new models last year)... but may well go with something else in a couple years.

Agree. The funny part is that Apple's touchpad driver is open-source (under a scary Apple Open Source license, but still). You can read it. Or at least, you could circa 2006.

I've been meaning to hack on the Linux driver since back then, but honestly always expected someone more competent to try a touchpad-driver-rewrite instead. Maybe they have, but we still seem far behind, and I'm pretty sure it's a software issue.

That being said, physical buttons are superior. Clicking one means you know a click registered, so even if the software is doing something stupid, you're assured of your interactions. I don't understand why the buttons have gone away.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#87
post #26

Oh interesting, this is the M3800 which is Dell's beefy 15" Linux laptop. Glad to see it getting some light. If you're looking for something more portable, the New XPS 13 is in development and is supposed to launch soon. I follow the project lead's blog here: http://bartongeorge.net/ My hats off to the Dell team; they're very open about what they're doing, making better drivers etc. before launching the product. For…

I'll be getting a new laptop soon and am interested in the XPS 13. 1. Is the only difference in the Developer edition that Ubuntu is install by default, and drivers are made to work with it? Otherwise the build is exactly the same? (The New XPS has a matte screen which I would like.) 2. I don't particularly trust an operating system that ships with a computer. I assume if I wipe it and install Ubuntu from scratch it'…

Afaict it's not yet known if there will be any hardware differences between the Windows and Ubuntu models.

Yes, of course you can wipe the OS in either case. Dell's Linux extensions are open-source as far as I know, e.g. their touchpad improvements that they're working on. But you might have to build your own kernel in order to compile those drivers yourself, or perhaps wait a long time before they're mainlined.

This is conjecture based on my understanding. I'd look around the Dell-Linux forums/blogs, the dev team is pretty open about discussing this stuff.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#88
post #26

Oh interesting, this is the M3800 which is Dell's beefy 15" Linux laptop. Glad to see it getting some light. If you're looking for something more portable, the New XPS 13 is in development and is supposed to launch soon. I follow the project lead's blog here: http://bartongeorge.net/ My hats off to the Dell team; they're very open about what they're doing, making better drivers etc. before launching the product. For…

I'll be getting a new laptop soon and am interested in the XPS 13. 1. Is the only difference in the Developer edition that Ubuntu is install by default, and drivers are made to work with it? Otherwise the build is exactly the same? (The New XPS has a matte screen which I would like.) 2. I don't particularly trust an operating system that ships with a computer. I assume if I wipe it and install Ubuntu from scratch it'…

In the linked article the M3800 is a hundred dollars cheaper with Ubuntu.

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#89
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to use a touchpad that works as well as a macbook's... which is pretty sad at this point.. I understand they reduced the travel of the keys and touchpad in the late 2014 releases though... That and the display are the two main reasons I got an rMBP (right before the new models last year)... but may well go with something else in a couple years.

Agree. The funny part is that Apple's touchpad driver is open-source (under a scary Apple Open Source license, but still). You can read it. Or at least, you could circa 2006. I've been meaning to hack on the Linux driver since back then, but honestly always expected someone more competent to try a touchpad-driver-rewrite instead. Maybe they have, but we still seem far behind, and I'm pretty sure it's a software issue…

I like Apple's physical click-anywhere... it's still a physical click... just contextually sensitive. I don't like tap to click, and I don't like region clicking. My Logitech touchpad on my ubuntu htpc keyboard does this, and pisses me off when it right-clicks because I'm in the bottom-right quarter of the pad (not sure if it can be changed in windows, no option in ubuntu).

Re: Dell’s Linux PC sequel still just works, but adds 4K screen and rough edges

#90
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I received mine a couple of weeks ago and have been pretty happy so far. Everything worked out of the box in ubuntu (camera, multimedia keys, trackpad, touchscreen, bluetooth, wifi, etc). My only complaints are: - The Glossy monitor is incredibly reflective. I wish there was a matte option. - I got the UHD screen option but there are still too many scaling issues in linux. Ubuntu looks fine with some minor tweaks but…

See here for scaling issue fixes for firefox/chrome: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI
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