An Economic Model of the Rise in Premarital Sex and Its De-Stigmatization [pdf]

Post by brc » Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 9:40 AM UTC

discodave wrote: post #9

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #6

Interesting stuff, it's clear from this economics perspective that sexual behavior is tightly coupled to risks and societal influence. As birth control became more available, the risk of premarital sex went down dramatically. I think societal norms are slowly catching up with this, hence why "we" (i.e. Western nations) are more liberal now than say 70 years ago. Here's a related thought experiment: could ever increas…

I agree with you but would quibble on one thing "women are about as financially independent as men"... I would say that women are about 70-80% as financially independent as men, due to the gender pay gap. That gap is even higher if you consider women's under representation in high paying jobs (e.g. tech). However... That's light years better the past when women were essentially considered to be the property of their…

Post by anentropic » Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 10:00 AM UTC

Fdndjxjxr wrote: post #24

obstinate wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be implying that woman-as-property was better than what we have today. Presumably that is not what you meant. Perhaps an edit to clarify?

At the risk of being lambasted as a misogynist, I think he's referring to the current trend towards an informal return to harems, where a majority of women court a minority of men, and vice-versa. That just has to do with how we humans are naturally polygamous creatures and the sexual revolution has gotten rid of a lot of the societal factors keeping people in strict monogamy.

Post by draugadrotten » Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 10:28 AM UTC

trhway wrote: post #15

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #6

Interesting stuff, it's clear from this economics perspective that sexual behavior is tightly coupled to risks and societal influence. As birth control became more available, the risk of premarital sex went down dramatically. I think societal norms are slowly catching up with this, hence why "we" (i.e. Western nations) are more liberal now than say 70 years ago. Here's a related thought experiment: could ever increas…

>So as that need diminishes, perhaps it shouldn't be the norm to expect everyone to get married. just look at Sweden. Strongest social net and government child support benefits - lowest marriage rate with highest rate of out-of-wedlock births(~60%).

Post by kefka » Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 11:26 AM UTC

theorique wrote: post #56

lordnacho wrote: post #54

I wonder if there's a similar thesis about why homosexuality is now well accepted in many societies. In Denmark for instance they pride themselves on being at the front of the sexual revolution as well as being free and open about gays. The change also happened at roughly the same time as De-Stigmatization. I can't quite make out the analogy though. Why would there be an economic disincentive to be gay in the past, a…

The historical social stigma against homosexuality, and the consequent high risk of losing your job or social position, probably kept many homosexuals in the closet who would have been open in a more permissive time. Nowadays, since nobody is fired (at least in the West) for homosexual activities or relationships, the economic penalty is eliminated.

Post by theorique » Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 2:02 PM UTC

kefka wrote: post #57

theorique wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The historical social stigma against homosexuality, and the consequent high risk of losing your job or social position, probably kept many homosexuals in the closet who would have been open in a more permissive time. Nowadays, since nobody is fired (at least in the West) for homosexual activities or relationships, the economic penalty is eliminated.

My state, Indiana, just made it legal specifically to fire or demote people because of their LGBTQ preference. That was in challenge to the recent Supreme court case regarding Hobby Lobby.