Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
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Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
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Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
#2That seems wrong. How much someone is willing to pay to live in San Fransisco isn't a measure of their "eagerness", but also a function of wealth. Marginal people in San Fransisco are also poor people who love the city, and are barely able to live there because they spend such a high proportion of their income on costs of living. Relative to their household income, they spend _more_ than someone not marginal to live in the city, but that wouldn't be reflected by their migration patterns. They're not less eager, just less rich.
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#3> "If local regulations did not do much to discourage creation of new housing supply [...] Costs would rise [...] And the value to the marginal resident would fall for two reasons. First, the marginal resident will definitionally be someone who is relatively indifferent between living in San Francisco and living somewhere else. Everyone more eager to live there would already have moved in." That seems wrong. How much…
Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
#4> "If local regulations did not do much to discourage creation of new housing supply [...] Costs would rise [...] And the value to the marginal resident would fall for two reasons. First, the marginal resident will definitionally be someone who is relatively indifferent between living in San Francisco and living somewhere else. Everyone more eager to live there would already have moved in." That seems wrong. How much…
Are you reading "marginal" in the sense of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_concepts or in the popular sense of someone on the verge of poverty?
The GP make simple and correct point - those with more money can wind-up choosing to buy something they "don't want that much" while those with less money overall money forgone things they very much want since they also need to eat.
Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
#5> "If local regulations did not do much to discourage creation of new housing supply [...] Costs would rise [...] And the value to the marginal resident would fall for two reasons. First, the marginal resident will definitionally be someone who is relatively indifferent between living in San Francisco and living somewhere else. Everyone more eager to live there would already have moved in." That seems wrong. How much…
Are you reading "marginal" in the sense of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_concepts or in the popular sense of someone on the verge of poverty?
Not saying current rent control policies and development policies in S.F. are optimal (in the colloquial sense, economic sense or utilitarian sense), or that more housing in general should not be encouraged somehow. But the option of having zero rent control and letting the invisible hand of the market shove tens of thousands of people into the streets seems like a pretty bad solution, in addition to being a particularly callous one.
Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
#6Reading that, I can't help but think that the canonically best methods for how to "build and design cities" have been pretty well understood for decades [0], if not much longer [1]. We in America have just been doing it wrong on purpose for quite a while (perhaps in order to goose suburban construction and automobile sales?) So the problem isn't lack of knowledge-how, but rather one of political organization to wrest control of the built environment from the groups and organizations that presently control it.
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_and_Life_of_Great_Ame... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8090190
Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
#7> "If local regulations did not do much to discourage creation of new housing supply [...] Costs would rise [...] And the value to the marginal resident would fall for two reasons. First, the marginal resident will definitionally be someone who is relatively indifferent between living in San Francisco and living somewhere else. Everyone more eager to live there would already have moved in." That seems wrong. How much…
At which point, even people who would find themselves priced out of SF in today's market would already have moved to the city if they wanted to.
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#8 I am one of these SF oligarchs, and I benefit from high rents of
both types. Nevertheless, I have long called for an end to the
rent-seeking. To me, the problem started when the boomers of
old voted themselves two enormous market distortions over 30 years ago.
Proposition 13 was sold as a means of keeping granny in her home,
but it does not particularly benefit the elderly, the sick, or the
needy. It benefits land owning incumbents (like me) at the expense
of everyone else. Kill it. Start with the grotesque subsidy for
commercial property, and then phase out the residential subsidy.
Not to be outdone, SF renters voted themselves a rent control
ordinance. This also does not particularly benefit the elderly, the
sick, or the needy. Like Prop 13, it benefits one thing only -
incumbency. I know fairly wealthy 50-somethings who have rented
apartments for decades, and now pay a third or a quarter of market
rates thanks to rent control. They keep these now as pied-a-terres,
while they own comfortable homes in Marin or the wine country. For
each one of these old renters, there are ten smart ambitious young
people desperate to contribute new creativity and energy into the
community if they could just find a room. Only the wealthiest of
these can compete for the few remaining market rate units, and they
must pay plenty of both kinds of rent, to people like me.
This may be seem like daydreaming, but I hope Governor Brown and SF
can someday create a grand bargain. Kill Prop 13 AND rent control
with the stroke of a pen.
As for overall supply and demand, I would support a state law that creates
1 - an estimate of statewide population growth
2 - a requirement that every municipality periodically rezone to
accommodate a portion of that growth proportional to its current
size; or
3 - pay another municipality to take its share
This would create something like a reverse cap and trade system to
manage the supposed externalities of growth. This way, NIMBY cities
would have to pay growth-friendly cities, and NIMBY voters would have to
pay for their selfish rent-seeking behavior. Who knows? There might even
be less of it. [1]
[1] http://www.economist.com/comment/2358176#comment-2358176Re: Housing markets: The spectre haunting San Francisco
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#10The top-voted comment for the same piece in the Economist explores the rent-seeking behavior of SF landlords, the origins and the conditions that gave rise to Prop 13 in the first place and proposes a set of (albeit, I admit, a bit far-fetched) solutions: I am one of these SF oligarchs, and I benefit from high rents of both types. Nevertheless, I have long called for an end to the rent-seeking. To me, the problem sta…