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That's just basic utilitarianism. What exactly are you objecting to? That 2 dust specks in 2 people's eyes isn't exactly twice as bad as 1 dust speck?
> What exactly are you objecting to? That some arbitrarily minimal amount of subjective pain can be presumed to be actually distinguishable from the general background unpleasantness of being human in the first place. Edit: Rephrased to remove gibberish resulting from temporary brain/keyboard disconnect.
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's just basic utilitarianism. What exactly are you objecting to? That 2 dust specks in 2 people's eyes isn't exactly twice as bad as 1 dust speck?
> What exactly are you objecting to? That some arbitrarily minimal amount of subjective pain can be presumed to be actually distinguishable from the general background unpleasantness of being human in the first place. Edit: Rephrased to remove gibberish resulting from temporary brain/keyboard disconnect.
> objectively
How can pain be objective? The universe doesn't give a shit that some lumpy sacks of meat dislike certain experiences, and exactly the same action can be unpleasant for some people but pleasant for others. (BDSM enthusiasts, for example, often actively seek out experiences that other people would consider painful.)
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What exactly are you objecting to? That some arbitrarily minimal amount of subjective pain can be presumed to be actually distinguishable from the general background unpleasantness of being human in the first place. Edit: Rephrased to remove gibberish resulting from temporary brain/keyboard disconnect.
For some reason HN won't let me reply to Houshalter's post, but... > objectively How can pain be objective? The universe doesn't give a shit that some lumpy sacks of meat dislike certain experiences, and exactly the same action can be unpleasant for some people but pleasant for others. (BDSM enthusiasts, for example, often actively seek out experiences that other people would consider painful.)
Do you object that a pin prick is bad? Do you want to avoid being pricked?
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason HN won't let me reply to Houshalter's post, but... > objectively How can pain be objective? The universe doesn't give a shit that some lumpy sacks of meat dislike certain experiences, and exactly the same action can be unpleasant for some people but pleasant for others. (BDSM enthusiasts, for example, often actively seek out experiences that other people would consider painful.)
>How can pain be objective? Do you object that a pin prick is bad? Do you want to avoid being pricked?
That depends on the context. If it's acupuncture, for example, it can be quite good, even if the precise sensation is exactly the same as the otherwise unpleasant case of poking myself with a needle while sewing.
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#125I'm seriously surprised at how many people here are fans of Yudkowsky, given his lack of any real productive output beyond thought experiments and fanfiction, the distinctly weird stuff he judges as right by taking his philosophy to the extremes (e.g. "it's better for one person to be tortured for fifty years than for an extremely large number of people to each get a speck of dust in their eye"), and the way he treat…
Terry Pratchett was a good writer too. (Probably even better.) And that's all you need to be.
Yudkowsky has, like old Goethe had, grander aspirations. We humour them for their literary output.
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#126I read a bunch of chapters a few years ago and thought it was remarkably horrid.
Mileage varies! I'd like to affirm and congratulate your wise decision to stop reading at that point instead of continuing to torture yourself, and advise against anyone recommending parent to try again or go back. HPMOR is not going to be everyone's cup of tea!
For comparison, `Harry Potter and the Natural 20' is a better piece, because the author just wants us to have a good time, and is not constantly trying to prove how smart he is. (HPMOR reminded me a bit about Freakonomics in that respect. But Freakonomics is way worse.)
HPMOR could do with some radical editing, perhaps?
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#127I'm seriously surprised at how many people here are fans of Yudkowsky, given his lack of any real productive output beyond thought experiments and fanfiction, the distinctly weird stuff he judges as right by taking his philosophy to the extremes (e.g. "it's better for one person to be tortured for fifty years than for an extremely large number of people to each get a speck of dust in their eye"), and the way he treat…
I'm seriously unsurprised to find the token why-does-anyone-like-Yudkowsky-he-doesn't-have-a-PhD-and-hasn't-even-saved-the-world-yet criticism in a thread about his Harry Potter fan fiction. He's a great writer, and that should be more than enough for the purposes of recommending a thing he wrote.
I don't think that this was the kind of criticism that was expressed, but on the other hand it's always easier to fight a straw man.
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#128I read a bunch of chapters a few years ago and thought it was remarkably horrid.
Your comment could be more valuable if it included your reasoning or suggestions for improvement.
At times I was wondering if the author had any familiarity with the material beyond a wikipedia (or tv tropes) summary.
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I think this is a very naive refutation of what the point was about Kuhn. First off, the notion that engineering "validates" science. What do you mean by validate? Do you mean successful engineering informed by a set of scientific principles, somehow, in a scientifically rigorous way, renders those principles true? As in, end of story true? Because most of mechanical engineering is done on the assumption that force e…
> I think this is a very naive refutation of what the point was about Kuhn. I don't deny that it's naive. > First off, the notion that engineering "validates" science. What do you mean by validate? Do you mean successful engineering informed by a set of scientific principles, somehow, in a scientifically rigorous way, renders those principles true? As in, end of story true? Nothing is end-of-story true except in math…
We (and by we I mean Popperians) want to believe that science is a series of universally positive logical assertions that can be cut down by a single negative observation, as logic would dictate. But we don't always know what the criteria are for successful negative observations. The criteria are less rigid and well defined than we would be willing to admit. They vary from community to community. Robert Milikan won the Nobel prize for measuring the charge of an electron with his brilliant oil drop experiment. Only problem? His measurement was wrong. As folks tried to repeat it, they deviated more and more from his original measurement, until many repetitions and many publications later they landed on the correct value. If you were to plot the "true" measurement for the charge of the electron against time, you would see something deviating very slowly from an arbitrary incorrect value to the correct one. You have to ask, how on earth is this possible? Bias, authority, imprecision over truth criteria—all at play. And I think it's this sociological fuzziness in play in many thousands of small ways that lead us to at least question the assumptions on which truth is founded.
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Here's what the parent is referring to http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_Basilisk . I'm in agreement regarding the absurdity and group think of Less Wrong, for reasons that aren't that relevant to this thread. That said, HPMOR is a fairly entertaining read, once you can get past the feeling that you're having an ideology forced on you through Harry's point of view. The book reminds me of things Ayn Rand…
That fairly hostile "article" is not accurate and the basilisk portion has already been responded to previously by Yudkowsky. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/2myg86/xkcd_1450_aibo...
For the claim of inaccuracies: that article is cited to the phrase level for good reason. If you're claiming inaccuracies, you're going to need actual details of why the cites are wrong.