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Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#171
Ugh.

No, not that Google Code is shutting down, per se. The alternatives are better and for active projects there is plenty of time to migrate.

What I object to is that the site will only be preserved in read-only mode for 5 months, despite its popularity and the resulting large number of deep links into it on the Web. Why not forever? git, hg, and I believe svn can all provide read-only access (with some bandwidth overhead) by publishing static files over HTTP. With the addition of a static export of the Google Code pages (mostly doable by crawling; some pagination issues would need to be worked out), Google could host the site going forward on a simple HTTP server without needing to maintain its server-side codebase. And Google is lacking in neither HTTP servers or bandwidth... Belated abuse complaints would remain a problem, but it's easy enough to delete things on request.

Google is obviously not legally obligated to keep the site up, and under current mores I suppose it's not socially obligated either. But I think that when the owning company continues to be highly financially successful and maintenance is easy enough, there should be a social obligation for some kind of archival.

Or at least redirect the subdomain to whatever Archive Team comes up with...

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#172

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While true that no one uses Google Code. Every now and then, I bump into some obscure but a little useful project being hosted on Google Code. Maybe, makers of those projects have grown out of them and don't wish to put any more effort but still, there is a bit of value, I am able to derive from them. What will happen, if those projects are not migrated because their developers have simply forgotten about them?

We are planing on taking the majority of these legitimate, open source, 'abandonded' projects and putting them up in cold storage in a git repo on googlesource.com

What is the criteria for "legitimate"? A project useful for me may not be "notable" enough for most to consider "legitimate".

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#173

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I think it is fair to for GitLab to pitch their service, considering that the google code blogspot post specifically mentioned both GitHub 8 times and Bitbucket 3 times, while GitLab offers similar functionality. It would have been fairer for the blog to not-specifically endorse anything or post a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_source_code_soft...

> I think it is fair to for GitLab to pitch their service, considering that the google code blogspot post specifically mentioned both GitHub 8 times and Bitbucket 3 times, while GitLab offers similar functionality. The only thing similar between gitlab and github is that they do something with version control. Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself w…

"There are many other hosting services like gitlab, what would make gitlab different so that it would deserve a pitch there?"

Which is why I said the blogpost would be fairer to just post the wikipedia comparison link. I never said that gitlab should "deserve" a pitch on the blog. I did say it was fair for GitLab to pitch their services, as the CEO has done here, but that is different from "deserving" a pitch.

It is hard to objectively determine what is the better hosting, but based on people's individual preferences, they can subjectively decide for themselves, which the wikipedia article helps out by clearly explaining the differences. Everyone who uses google code knows about github anyway, but might not be aware that there are other services.

We saw gitorious, an entirely-opensource service, fail due to lack of revenue. And we've seen Google Code, an entirely-proprietary solution, fail. For those concerned about the longevity of their hosting setup, they may want a hosting provider that both has a steady source of income to help guarantee longevity and that is based significantly on opensource software (maybe for reasons of philosophical principle in that opensource development should use opensource infrastructure, or for pragmatic reasons such that they can always fork the hosting service code). GitLab fills this niche nicely, in that the community edition is based on fully open-source code, while the enterprise edition (that the their commercial service gitlab.com is based on) uses proprietary extensions.

"The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself with 221 stars right now. Even the smallest nodejs project achieves that popularity on github."

The lack of stars on gitlab projects may simply be due to the first-mover advantage of github, but does not necessarily represent any fundamental deficiencies is the hosting service.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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What's the median lifetime of free cloud services? It seems to be around 5 years. Someone probably tracks that. With SourceForge putting ads in installers, they're no longer a good option. This leaves GitHub in a monopoly position, which is worrisome. Especially given the terms: "GitHub, in its sole discretion, has the right to suspend or terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Serv…

"We need some way to distribute open source projects so they're on at least two services simultaneously, synched." google "git sync mirror" and a bunch of solutions appear.

We use GitLab Mirrors[1] to keep running syncs of our public repos on GitHub mirrored into our self-hosted GitLab server. Works really well and I highly recommend it.

[1]https://github.com/samrocketman/gitlab-mirrors

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#175

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It's not monoculture, there is also bitbucket which IMHO is much better product. Problem is that all the cool kids are now using github and if you want to look cool you also have to use github. Or you could just ignore the hype and use bitbucket.

I'm genuinely curious, what do you like better about bitbucket?

Free private repos is the outstanding item.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#176

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It's not monoculture, there is also bitbucket which IMHO is much better product. Problem is that all the cool kids are now using github and if you want to look cool you also have to use github. Or you could just ignore the hype and use bitbucket.

I'm genuinely curious, what do you like better about bitbucket?

For us it would be the free private repos.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#177
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I might be feeding here, but the lesson is that you can't count on things Google releases to be around very long. Even APIs for popular products, like Google Maps. Just don't expect anything they release to have a long shelf life. It's annoying and it sucks, and it is now laughable when they tag things with phrases like "free code hosting forever" and so on. For them to change, they'd have to either: 1) Support every…

They kind of get a bad rap for this because of how large and visible they are. The funny thing is that many of the people here on HN have worked on projects that had very finite lifetimes as well, often closing them down for some of the same reasons. Someone has to invest the time and money to keep services running, even if only limping along. Google likes to experiment and test the waters. It's part of why they've b…

Yes, and the projects that people on HN have worked on that have had very finite lifetimes get a very negative reaction on here too, for much the same reason. In fact I regularly see people suggesting that it reflects badly on startups as a whole and that you shouldn't trust them with your data whenever one pulls a stunt like this.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#178
It's easy to migrate to some other repo, but I'm thinking about the tons of abandonware projects currently hosted there, that will probably disappear.

Every once in a while, googling for a solution, I find something on google code. That looks like it's no longer maintained, but is still useful for me to see how they've done it or copy-paste code (if licensed appropriately).

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#179
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Hi everyone. I wanted to let you know (and I know this isn't a huge surprise) that we will be shutting down the Google Code project hosting system over the next year. Wired did a nice story about Github that touches on the shutdown: http://www.wired.com/2015/03/github-conquered-google-microso... I'll be hanging around answering questions, but the short form of 'why' is that it just isn't used much anymore, ourselves…

Have you considered that Google Code hosts amount of code that is related to the research papers and are not actively maintained (many probably since uploading). This wast valuable resource will be gone forever.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#180
I knew it ... what a shame. You know what killed that product? BAD basic UI/UX. it was horrible to use an naviguate in,so people moved to something with better UX, better design and better visual. Google puts 0 efforts in these things, at least in the browser. Funny how then Google comes with "material design" , but can't update a few CSS on its old apps...

Github didn't get popular because it was written in Ruby(though it allowed them to iterate fast),it became popular because devs actually put some effort into the UI/UX and it made it easy to use ...

You know what else sucks? google app engine console , google apis console ... look at Heroku console , simple clean and usable, are you going to drop app engine too ?

So what's next after Google reader, and Google code? Google app engine ?

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