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NZ Prime Minister John Key in August, 2013: "I'll resign if GCSB conducts mass surveillance". Well, now'd be a good time. Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...
All kidding aside, any minister worth his or her salt would just keep bending the definition of 'mass surveillance' until it no longer applies.
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Welcome to HN, where your comments aren't censored, but insead they are 'groomed' by those who consistently cherish 'valuable' conversations by pandering to 'karma' points. The 'correct' dialog is to discuss how it's natural for our systems of governance to want to spy on everyone, and the 'correct' actions fall between accepting this or petitioning our masters to roll back 'some' of these advances. Your individual o…
pastas, your account is hell-banned so you need not worry about being downvoted anymore. As for your -10, you have your own narrative but let me give you the perspective of someone who had little interest in the "disassociating woman" article and no personal stake in it. Your first two comments on HN ever are a single word discounting the post, with nothing to back it up. To many (including myself) that's a waste of…
Consider this reponse in the same thread. It has about as much merit, but expressed a sympathetic reaction to the article's writer instead of the disdain that mine did.
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mukundmr 9 hours ago
Very touching. I wish more resources were committed to understanding and solving problems of the mind. reply
Was that down voted? No. Because it reinforced the consensus. That analysis is no different than upvoiting / downvoting on any other website. People like to reinforce others who agree with them and penalize those who don't.
Period.
Somehow, national security is contingent on knowing EVERYTHING the public says and does. Total war has gone digital. I never thought I'd see the day where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 would manifest into our reality.
>where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 I think many people were non-sarcastically making these slippery slope arguments, at least in part because they feared these exact sorts of scenarios.
The reveal about warrantless wiretaps slowly encroached on their retorts, but the FISA courts, NSLs and the mass collection of everyone's communications and whereabouts is really when we came full circle.
NZ Prime Minister John Key in August, 2013: "I'll resign if GCSB conducts mass surveillance". Well, now'd be a good time. Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...
I get sooooo cross when I read anything that Key says. "If I wholesale blatantly flout the law as Prime Minister I'm never going to survive anyway." That's such a twisted (and effective, it seems) way of convincing people that he hasn't been involved in any wrong-doing. Let us not forget his statement on the GCSB bill that allowed sweeping powers for the spy agency (under his control) [1]. "All they can do is protect…
>Last month, Auckland man Shane Warbrooke put in an OIA request to the prime minister's office, asking for "any evidence to disprove the theory that Mr John Key is in fact a David Icke style shapeshifting reptilian alien ushering humanity towards enslavement".
>"To the best of my knowledge, no. Having been asked that question directly, I've taken the unusual step of not only seeing a doctor but a vet, and both have confirmed I'm not a reptile," a smiling Mr Key said today.
>"So I'm certainly not a reptile. I've never been in a spaceship, never been in outer space, and my tongue's not overly long either."
http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/john-key-im-not-a-reptile-20...
Somehow, national security is contingent on knowing EVERYTHING the public says and does. Total war has gone digital. I never thought I'd see the day where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 would manifest into our reality.
>where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 I think many people were non-sarcastically making these slippery slope arguments, at least in part because they feared these exact sorts of scenarios.
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>where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 I think many people were non-sarcastically making these slippery slope arguments, at least in part because they feared these exact sorts of scenarios.
That's why slippery slopes are not always fallacies.
As a wannabe-kiwi, I'm hardly surprised. PM Key has been 'cooperative' with the US in most things so it's not surprising Five Eyes are being used to its/their fullest potential. Good thing GCSB has been talked about a lot even before this revelation... And about TPPA.
Hey there, wannabe Kiwi. Look me up if you want to hit the ground running with connections to the startup/tech world. I'm "Nat Torkington" and google finds my contact details. Always happy to help Kiwis and wannabe Kiwis :)
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That's why slippery slopes are not always fallacies.
It's still a fallacy, arguing the fact that fallacious argument can turn out to be true is a fallacy fallacy :)
(Or, as it usually works over the Internet, "it pattern-matches some random fallacy list I vaguely remember, so it's wrong!!111".)
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It's still a fallacy, arguing the fact that fallacious argument can turn out to be true is a fallacy fallacy :)
Wait what? Fallacy fallacy is arguing that "it's a fallacy, therefore it's wrong", AFAIR. (Or, as it usually works over the Internet, "it pattern-matches some random fallacy list I vaguely remember, so it's wrong!!111".)
The more I think about it the worse headache I get, so I'll leave it at that and hope for the best.
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It's still a fallacy, arguing the fact that fallacious argument can turn out to be true is a fallacy fallacy :)
Wait what? Fallacy fallacy is arguing that "it's a fallacy, therefore it's wrong", AFAIR. (Or, as it usually works over the Internet, "it pattern-matches some random fallacy list I vaguely remember, so it's wrong!!111".)