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New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by mikestew »

darkwingduck wrote: post #16
chinathrow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's your opinion. My comment was to express my outrage - if that can't be part of a discussion, then...?

Welcome to HN, where your comments aren't censored, but insead they are 'groomed' by those who consistently cherish 'valuable' conversations by pandering to 'karma' points. The 'correct' dialog is to discuss how it's natural for our systems of governance to want to spy on everyone, and the 'correct' actions fall between accepting this or petitioning our masters to roll back 'some' of these advances. Your individual o…

pastas, your account is hell-banned so you need not worry about being downvoted anymore. As for your -10, you have your own narrative but let me give you the perspective of someone who had little interest in the "disassociating woman" article and no personal stake in it. Your first two comments on HN ever are a single word discounting the post, with nothing to back it up. To many (including myself) that's a waste of electrons. Your more eloquent responses amount to the same thing, just with more words. You can write that off as "just opinion" (to which I add "duh"), but ask yourself what it was you said that has more substance than just being contrarian.

In summary, if you come into a thread shitting all over things with nothing to back up what you say, you'll get downvoted.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by bilbo0s »

rockyleal wrote: post #18

The righteous West is -has always been- corrupt and unworthy of trust.

I don't comment here to necessarily disagree with your assertion... only to say that the same is true for the rest of the world. ALL nations... are corrupt and unworthy of trust.

It probably doesn't even make sense to say that this or that group of nations is "worse" than the others at this point in mankind's history. That would be like walking into a room full of pregnant high school girls... and picking the one you feel is the "most virgin".

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by darkwingduck »

mikestew wrote: post #31
darkwingduck wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to HN, where your comments aren't censored, but insead they are 'groomed' by those who consistently cherish 'valuable' conversations by pandering to 'karma' points. The 'correct' dialog is to discuss how it's natural for our systems of governance to want to spy on everyone, and the 'correct' actions fall between accepting this or petitioning our masters to roll back 'some' of these advances. Your individual o…

pastas, your account is hell-banned so you need not worry about being downvoted anymore. As for your -10, you have your own narrative but let me give you the perspective of someone who had little interest in the "disassociating woman" article and no personal stake in it. Your first two comments on HN ever are a single word discounting the post, with nothing to back it up. To many (including myself) that's a waste of…

I think you robo-posted to the wrong thread bud.

#edit then in that case you'd think the post would be judged as having no value and be downvoted.... oh wait, that would require a lack of hypocrisy.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

#34

Post by darkwingduck »

bilbo0s wrote: post #32
rockyleal wrote: post #18

The righteous West is -has always been- corrupt and unworthy of trust.

I don't comment here to necessarily disagree with your assertion... only to say that the same is true for the rest of the world. ALL nations... are corrupt and unworthy of trust. It probably doesn't even make sense to say that this or that group of nations is "worse" than the others at this point in mankind's history. That would be like walking into a room full of pregnant high school girls... and picking the one you…

I think you just extrapolated his comment about trust. I can trust most CEO's to be invested in the advancement of their company, but I wouldn't trust them not to speed in traffic. I would not however expect a CEO to be using his position to sabotage the company for some other company.

American's have largely trusted their government's actions to be in the interest of the country as a whole, that veneer is skipping away.

... but hey, it's easier to dogpile on a down-voted posted, as that is the nature of social creatures. It's never enough to gray-out a post, everyone must down-vote in a play to damage disagreeable posts!

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Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by mikestew »

darkwingduck wrote: post #33
mikestew wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pastas, your account is hell-banned so you need not worry about being downvoted anymore. As for your -10, you have your own narrative but let me give you the perspective of someone who had little interest in the "disassociating woman" article and no personal stake in it. Your first two comments on HN ever are a single word discounting the post, with nothing to back it up. To many (including myself) that's a waste of…

I think you robo-posted to the wrong thread bud. #edit then in that case you'd think the post would be judged as having no value and be downvoted.... oh wait, that would require a lack of hypocrisy.

Sorry, can't reply to dead posts so I highjacked your reply. If you don't have showdead turned on, you won't see the dead post from user pastas that I replied to. pastas has a theory on his -10 karma, a theory with which I disagree. The unrelated article was referenced because his comments there make a better example.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by nitrogen »

darkwingduck wrote: post #33
mikestew wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pastas, your account is hell-banned so you need not worry about being downvoted anymore. As for your -10, you have your own narrative but let me give you the perspective of someone who had little interest in the "disassociating woman" article and no personal stake in it. Your first two comments on HN ever are a single word discounting the post, with nothing to back it up. To many (including myself) that's a waste of…

I think you robo-posted to the wrong thread bud. #edit then in that case you'd think the post would be judged as having no value and be downvoted.... oh wait, that would require a lack of hypocrisy.

HN disallows replies to dead comments, so responses are sometimes posted as sibling comments instead.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by smeyer »

task_queue wrote: post #30

Somehow, national security is contingent on knowing EVERYTHING the public says and does. Total war has gone digital. I never thought I'd see the day where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004 would manifest into our reality.

>where a sarcastic slippery slope argument about the Patriot Act made in 2004

I think many people were non-sarcastically making these slippery slope arguments, at least in part because they feared these exact sorts of scenarios.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by teraflop »

phreeza wrote: post #25

I wonder, are all these leaks actually still from Snowden himself or is the name being used as a cover/branding for other sources now?

Snowden leaked a huge number of classified documents to journalists, and ever since, those journalists have been sorting through the material and publishing stories based on what they find.

In this case, the leak came by way of The Intercept, which employs Glenn Greenwald as an editor, who got the documents from Snowden in person in Hong Kong before Snowden went into hiding. So I don't see any reason to assume they're lying about where the material is coming from.

Re: New Zealand spying on Pacific islands, Snowden leaks say

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Post by gnat »

Aoyagi wrote: post #3

As a wannabe-kiwi, I'm hardly surprised. PM Key has been 'cooperative' with the US in most things so it's not surprising Five Eyes are being used to its/their fullest potential. Good thing GCSB has been talked about a lot even before this revelation... And about TPPA.

Hey there, wannabe Kiwi. Look me up if you want to hit the ground running with connections to the startup/tech world. I'm "Nat Torkington" and google finds my contact details. Always happy to help Kiwis and wannabe Kiwis :)
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