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What happened to all the non-programmers?

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Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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This reminds me of "How to become a hacker" from Eric S. Raymond. There is a part in that essay where he talks about common hobbies for hackers and after a few examples he concludes:

> "Why these things in particular is not completely clear, but they're connected with a mix of left- and right-brain skills that seems to be important; hackers need to be able to both reason logically and step outside the apparent logic of a problem at a moment's notice."

Link: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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Btw we are working class too, even with those fancy 6 figure salaries... At least I'm not living of off strutting around in my park telling my gardener what to do while stroking a white cat. I don't have employees in my factory solely working for me generating my income while I twiddle my thumbs. I'm actually sitting on a computer working for money every day, so: working class.

>Btw we are working class too, even with those fancy 6 figure salaries... No, we're not. We're the down trodden, continually squeezed middle or upper middle class depending on the cost of living where you are.

Depends on the individual and how they accrue their income. Someone with a six figure income, which includes investment income and income from selling their time, would fall under middle class but someone who makes that six figures from working alone would qualify as working class. It is not the amount that matters here, it is how that amount is generated.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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It seems obvious to me to bring up "correlation does not imply causation". Just because a lot of programmers like X, doesn't mean that they like X because of programming.

With that said, I dont really understand confusion with social groups forming of similar people. I understand a desire...even a need...for diversity, but people who like X are naturally going to want to be with other people who like X. Seems pretty natural.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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I dunno, I like hanging out with tech people.

Me too, and I'm conflicted about it. I'm well aware that I'm bringing my own preconceptions to the situation, but I continually find it harder to engage people outside of technology. People outside of tech may be more diverse in appearance, but in perspectives, interests and awareness, people working in technology (in my social sphere) tend to be less conformist and more open minded. This may simply be a regression t…

Exactly. I find tech people to be, on average, more rational and share more of my interests. It makes conversations much more enjoyable. As someone who isn't a great conversator, trying to come up with small chat with a lawyer or an accountant is rather stressful. Talking about programming languages, video games, or comic books is much easier.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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Yeah, there's sort of a weird meme among (for lack of a better word) creative class types that anyone who doesn't use a Macbook for work is literally working 120 hrs in a salt mine to support 8 children as a single parent. It's sort of a noble savage stereotype, but in reality "working class" (even just that name is indicative of this idea) people are still people too -- they do things on their time off, some of them…

Btw we are working class too, even with those fancy 6 figure salaries... At least I'm not living of off strutting around in my park telling my gardener what to do while stroking a white cat. I don't have employees in my factory solely working for me generating my income while I twiddle my thumbs. I'm actually sitting on a computer working for money every day, so: working class.

By far the biggest thing that surprised me after entering into the CS field 3 years ago is that being a programming just like a white collar version of being an electrician or plummer.

Looking at the from the outside it seems like a career with a lot more power there really is.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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You can analyze data and use R and not be a programmer. Less than half of the students in my advanced stats classes at college which used R were CS majors. Granted, for me, knowing how to program made things a lot less frustrating. Spreadsheet programs are built for analysis without deep programming knowledge too.

I am not, nor have I ever been, a CS major. Yet I am a programmer.

I think you're kind of missing the point. There are not nearly as many MBA, liberal art, lawyer, etc people on here as techies and programmers.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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... You are simply a nerd/geek/techie surrounded by likeminded people. Nothing wrong with that.

I am a programmer that has met most of his friends in bars, raves and other music related places. Guess what? All of my friends are musicians or DJs.

What happened to all the non-musicians?! ... Well, I am simply not going to meet them in the backstage of a show.

I was under the impression that this is general knowledge, no need to make a blog post about it.

Go meet people outside your work circle if you are tired of talking with techies.

Re: What happened to all the non-programmers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can analyze data and use R and not be a programmer. Less than half of the students in my advanced stats classes at college which used R were CS majors. Granted, for me, knowing how to program made things a lot less frustrating. Spreadsheet programs are built for analysis without deep programming knowledge too.

I'd say that by virtue of using R, regardless of your major, you are a programmer.

The author of the article seems to mainly be concerned with being in a really homogenous social group according to job title.

You're right that everyone who programs is a programmer, but 'programmer' in the article means someone for whom programmer is their job title.

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