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An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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They're cheap enough that my first thought was to pick up a couple and figure out what I'd do with them later, but the disadvantage here is that they're older boxes, which means they're going to be energy hogs (for the performance point, at least). That's what makes the eco pitch interesting - they're reducing e-waste, which is good, but energy efficiency on newer boxes (especially if you just need minimal performanc…

I agree, this is a dreadful idea. The CPUs are going to hog a whole load of energy (as are the motherboards). The HDDs are going to be seriously used and probably prone to complete breakdown. An ARM SoC would do this same job much faster probably at much less cost, with FAR less energy consumption.

That's very true - one of those mini Linux sticks would fit the bill nicely, for example: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Original-authentic-R...

And apparently Intel has the same thing with it's atom chip: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/intels-compute-stick-...

With high capacity flash getting fast-enough for real use, I don't see much of a need for spinning platters anymore.

It's seems like a shame to give up on all that old hardware, but technology marches on I suppose.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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There's an outfit in Oakland which does this.[1] They're a computer recycling center which assembles working systems from the recycled ones. They currently offer minimum specs of at least 2GB of RAM, 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM and 17” monitor. They install Linux XUBUNTU 14.0.1. The machines are free to schools, non-profits, and low-income people. There was a similar organization in Berkeley which installed Windows. They had a…

There's an organization in Minneapolis which does a similar thing. It's called Free Geek Twin Cities, and they recycle old PCs and put Ubuntu on them. It's about $40 for a computer, or one can earn one by volunteering for 24 hours. I used to volunteer there when I was less busy.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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Energy is dirt cheap in comparison to labor. Therefore cost of industrial goods is correlated to labor not to energy / power costs. (with few exceptions in heavy industries.)

That is not the point of the comment to which you're replying. They didn't claim that the purchase price provides a good estimate of the energy cost, but that it provides a strict upper bound. If the manufacturer is not selling at a loss, then they can't sell for less than their energy costs, let alone labor costs.

Ok. Thank you for clarification.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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I recently bought a Raspberry Pi 2, a nicer case than I really needed, a 64GB sdhc card, and a good power supply for not more than one of these cost. Going with a smaller SD card and a less-nice case you'd easily save enough to cover a breakout breadboard for the GPIO and maybe a couple of sensors. Judging from its performance I suspect the original Pi would have disappointed me and been nearly useless for anything I…

That's what I did, too. I want to create a Pi 2 blade server and use it for local docker PaaS (for builds, running tests, etc.), but can't find a good case for that. The dog bone one takes too much space and is too generic.

You mean the stackable dog bone-shaped ones? They don't look that big to me, but maybe the pictures don't do them justice.

I'm not sure whether it'd be appropriate for what you want, but this is the case I bought:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ME5XUAG/

I'm happy with it, and I can't really imagine a case being any smaller and still protecting the Pi while providing access to its various ports (including the SD card). I'm not really into the see-through case thing, but I couldn't find an opaque case I liked better for the same amount of money or less.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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Plenty of TVs and monitors still have a VGA port, so that's not a surprise. Furthermore this is basically a PC from 10 years ago and not a top notch one (I'm looking to HD, CPU and network card - I had a laptop with 10/100/1000). It's interesting that you can still run a 2014 OS on that hardware. There is probably some value in using an Intel chip instead of an ARM one even if I bet that most Linux software runs on A…

People never stop making excuses. VGA is dead. http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#videoVGA

It's so dead that I had to separately buy a VGA adapter for my laptop, so I could use the bloody conference projectors everywhere.

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This has been one of the most amazingly non-intuitive things for me over the years. That operating a computer that is older can be so much more inefficient than operating one that is newer, that it isn't worth it. Literally the best thing you can do is crush the chips and mine the result for gold, silver, and the few rare earths that are left over. That at least puts a finite limit on the energy consumed over it, and…

Not sending it to places like the e-waste dump in Agbogbloshie, Accra, Ghana is a benefit. I'm not sure how to weight each thing - the increased CO2 emmissions are bad; not poisoning poor people who do things like burn the PVC insulation off cables to get the copper is a good thing.

Certainly agree with that sentiment! We are getting to the point where it makes sense to have 'disassembly' robots, this paper (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967066108...) looked at that (it wasn't the focus per se but an example). I can clearly see that 'anti-factories' where raw materials are recovered and unrecoverable materials made inert will be a thing.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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I am concerned with energy consumption of this device. Pentium 4 class computer consumes 40 watts while idle. ARM cpu would work just as fine (Ubuntu). I think this devices should not be called green, unless they disclose power efficiency rating.

40 watts while idle = 28.8 kwh a month so 13.5 cents per kwh = $3.88 / month to run. Rasberry Pi B+ uses 1.21 watts while idle so about 11 cents /month. So a Rasberry Pi will pay for itself in about 10 months.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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People never stop making excuses. VGA is dead. http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#videoVGA

It's so dead that I had to separately buy a VGA adapter for my laptop, so I could use the bloody conference projectors everywhere.

Beats me. When were the projectors purchased? Lots of legacy crap around because people are slow to adopt standards that are a decade old. That kind of equipment will linger for years.

The warning has been going out for quite some time:

http://www.thinkoutsidetheslide.com/issue287may282013

You're wasting your money if you buy a PC with a VGA port and no HDMI port.

Re: An $89 remanufactured Ubuntu workstation

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And people pay $80 for this? ARM device from China will be cheaper, smaller,more power efficient and will run Ubuntu just as fine. > 2.8Ghz P4 or better CPU (pentium 4 is very very green) > 80GB SATA HD (spin it yeah, Ubuntu comfortably fits to 5GB) > VGA port ???

x86 still has more software available and the option to run Windows.

The Windows license will cost more than the PC. Unless you want to run a cracked version, it isn't worth it.
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