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Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by BuckRogers »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #139
Chronic31 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your last sentence describes Google.

I thoroughly disagree. Net Neutrality, today, is case in point. Until Chrome came along, Firefox was going it alone against IE. Until Google Fiber came along, we all had less than 10Mb downloads for $80/month. There's much, much more. Pick better battles. Google is not your enemy.

That's suggestive that Google is our friend, which it is not. It's a for-profit entity, thus just as much as our convenient friend as any other and in general an enemy whose sole purpose is to separate you from your money. Don't get it twisted any other way.

If you're looking for friends, pick a non-profit.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by wluu »

melling wrote: post #55
EdSharkey wrote: post #42

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We got the Gecko family of browsers, the Trident family of browsers, and the WebKit family of browsers. Sure, there are varying JS engines, and Blink and Servo are on the way, but WebKit is the 900lbs gorilla. It is a monoculture in a lot of ways. I use and promote Firefox because I want to check the other vendors. Microsoft makes, hm, how can I be positive here ... patchy software. There are always lots of rough pat…

Nah, it won't mean a thing. Microsoft still has almost 60% of the desktop browser market share. http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpri... Unfortunately, they have no mobile market share, and this is where most people will be browsing the web. http://9to5mac.com/2015/02/24/ios-android-duopoly-marketshar...

It's interesting that Opera Mini commands just under 8% of the mobile market share.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpri...

It's also interesting to note that the "Android browser" (so not Chrome) still has a significant market share 15.65%.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by girvo »

path411 wrote: post #154
gcb0 wrote: post #148

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-- Internet Explorer 6-8 -- Internet Explorer 9-10 -- Internet Explorer 11 -- Internet Explorer new? -- Firefox -- Konqueror (abandoned?) \ -- Safari \ --Chromium, Opera 15+ \ -- Chrome \ --IOS safari -- Opera 12 (abandoned) and that's why i use and only advertise firefox. It is the only browser that respect webdevelopers.

What about chrome doesn't respect web developers? Chrome's web debugging in browser is very good, and until recently firefox didn't even compete in that regard.

Are you kidding? Firebug was the gold-standard for a very long time, and for a very good reason. If you're talking Firefox's built-in tools, then sure, but talking about Firefox while ignoring extensions is laughable.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by Gravityloss »

Is it just me or is there some kind of an air of sadness about the video?

I like that they have real developers and not pr people talking about the product, and I don't like fake positivity. I guess it's impossible to please people like me, if you're Microsoft.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by Encosia »

Throwaway90283 wrote: post #96
EdSharkey wrote: post #15

YES! 1-2-3-4, I declare a browser war! Finally. This is the Microsoft I've been waiting for! No more rolling over and no defeatist talk of adopting WebKit or whatever. Microsoft is going to use its muscle and position to make a truly competitive browser. We need more competition, and we need the default browser in Windows to be just as good as Chrome and Firefox. Microsoft, I hope you pull every -ms- vendor flaggin',…

I'd like to see some competition as well, but in my perspective, they're taking the wrong approach. This entire project seems to be about improving compatibility with older websites, by adding more algorithms and layers to the rendering process. I don't believe everyone is using Firefox and Chrome because they have better compatibility than IE. I think they should focus on cutting the fat, and making the lightest wei…

Have you used IE in the past few years? IE is (by far) already the fastest browser on my two Windows 10 machines right now. That was also the case when they were running Windows 8 and 8.1 in the past. The latest versions of IE make Chrome feel like Netscape Communicator 4, and they're noticeably faster than Firefox too.

If it had a nice LastPass extension, Ghostery, Buffer, and a few others, I'd probably be using IE as my default browser right now.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by wluu »

jonathansampson wrote: post #122
0x0 wrote: post #83

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Internet Explorer 1.0's "About" box claims it is "Based on NCSA Mosaic": http://utilu.com/IECollection/img/iecollection_ie100_win40nt... (Curiously, Internet Explorer 1.0 showed a version number of "4.40" in the about box.)

IE is (originally) based on NCSA Mosaic code, by way of Spyglass. Spyglass had nearly 70 or so vendors using the same code if I'm not mistaken. The original source code of IE 1 can be seen (an Easter egg) in the video on our blog post (at about 40 seconds): http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2015/02/26/a-break-from-t... .

That's a really cool easter egg :)

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by Encosia »

klenwell wrote: post #70
EdSharkey wrote: post #15

YES! 1-2-3-4, I declare a browser war! Finally. This is the Microsoft I've been waiting for! No more rolling over and no defeatist talk of adopting WebKit or whatever. Microsoft is going to use its muscle and position to make a truly competitive browser. We need more competition, and we need the default browser in Windows to be just as good as Chrome and Firefox. Microsoft, I hope you pull every -ms- vendor flaggin',…

I upvoted this for sarcasm. But upon reflection I think maybe I missed the point. I guess a lot of it hinges on your interpretation of the words "competitive" and "parity". I'm hoping that it means the expression "IE issue" gradually becomes the exception rather than the norm.

To second what Navarr said, I don't really see IE issues these days unless it's on a site that needs to support versions prior to IE9. As often as not, issues in modern IE are due to developers writing code that targets only a single vendor-prefixed version of an API instead of supporting standards, which makes IE look deficient (instead of that sloppy developer) even when it has good support for the APIs that a site uses.

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by wluu »

melling wrote: post #147

What keyboard is he using @3:10? It curves down? Looks a little like a wing.

That's the Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt keyboard.

I've got one, and while it's not a mechanic keyboard. It is quite comfortable, and if you want an ergo keyboard I'd highly recommend it.

Here's a review by Marco Arment: http://www.marco.org/2013/08/30/sculpt-ergonomic-keyboard-re...

Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

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Post by indians_pro »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #139
Chronic31 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your last sentence describes Google.

I thoroughly disagree. Net Neutrality, today, is case in point. Until Chrome came along, Firefox was going it alone against IE. Until Google Fiber came along, we all had less than 10Mb downloads for $80/month. There's much, much more. Pick better battles. Google is not your enemy.

lol people like you are going to be happy when in a decade, everyone is going to be wearing google glasses, browsing through google chrome, having a google fiber internet connection, and 'renting' self-driving google cars. Cameras everywhere, control of the source internet, control of the browser, and I bet through some magic prominent universities decide that Go is the perfect language to teach beginners, over Python/C++/others- and start issuing free chromebooks to students.

Just look at how they've been fucking up google voice to drive users to Hangouts to get more control. Look at how sometimes, Hangouts randomly doesn't give you notifications of new messages, so that you're kept on your toes and keep checking your mobile frequently. Look at how google maps absolutely _degrades_ and the 'famed' UI starts to look retarded when you turn off 'Location sharing'. Haha, google is definitely going to have the last laugh. Edward Snowden must be crying somewhere right now.

There's going to be a day, when your 3 months old search for 'google services open source alternatives' gets you flagged as disqualified to being hired in Google/(maybe) other companies. And it's not going to stop. Google is going to keep getting bigger and bigger, keep growing tentacles, and keep getting more and more in control, and omniscient. I wonder how the great hackers of ages past allowed the whole technology industry to come to this, to let the situation become so bad. There should have been dozens of rms', but everyone kept quiet and rolled over. Now, it's near impossible to be free of google's touch when browsing the internet.

EDIT : Hmm, downvoted without a comment. Looks like the 'crawlers' picked this up. I'm scared now.

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