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Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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I think animated transitions are the skeuomorphism of 2015. Mind you, I'm technically impressed that an E-Ink display can now be animated, but I can't wait for the end of the animated UI boom.

I highly doubt animated transitions are going away any time soon. Not only do they look great aesthetically, but they improve the UX by giving users hints as to what's going on. They make it much harder for users to enter a state in an application without knowing how they got there or how to leave. If animated transitions disappear, it'll be because something newer and better comes along, not because they fade out of…

hey boy improve ux if they are thoughtful and make sense, but I take your overall point

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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There's a contract to deliver on the promises made: https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4 The language isn't real strong though: If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backe…

I was burnt by Kickstarter when a project didn't deliver. In this case, it was obvious fraud -- the guy walked away with about $15k. There was an article written about it: http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2013/02/9807-kickstarter-fra... The response that I got from Kickstarter was basically "Sorry, that sucks" and "Try contacting the creator through Kickstarter or through Facebook". They wouldn't provide any other con…

"partially responsible for outright fraud" gets them into the business of deciding when outright fraud has occurred. I can see why they don't want to do that.

I also think that encouraging skeptical backers is going to be better for the ecosystem in the long term than doing more and more to make it 'safe'.

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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What happened to 'Kickstarter is not a store' - https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store ? Offering multiple quantities of a reward is prohibited. Hardware and Product Design projects can only offer rewards in single quantities or a sensible set (some items only make sense as a pair or as a kit of several items, for instance). The development of new products can be especially complex for creators a…

The upside of this is that Pebble get to rake in people's money for pre-orders - not a finished product - which means they manage to pre-empt Apple Watch stealing the show. The drive is going to run until ultimo March, with Apple Watch being ready in April. The downside is that you eat a lot of fees by using Kickstarter, when you might have been able to run your own drive independently like Lockitron, so it's interes…

I wouldn't be surprised if kickstarter worked out a deal with pebble with a lower fee. All this traffic and press is clearly good for them too.

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There are many crowdfunding platforms but at least here in the US they all need to follow the same SEC regulations which require investors to be accredited which essentially means you have to be a millionaire to play.

Those regulations were essentially removed in a lot of cases by the JOBS act in 2012. The rules are still under review but crowdfunding of equity will be possible sometime in early 2016.

JOBS act owes a lot to Naval Ravikant, http://pando.com/2012/11/15/how-naval-ravikant-went-to-washi...

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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It's an LCD without a backlight.

pretty sure it's not that. color e-paper tech has been in the works for years now

Nope, the refresh rate is clearly too high. Compare with amazon's newest Kindle e-ink, quick animations are not possible with ink yet, and there is ghosting. Also, deducing from the battery life of 7 days ONLY, this doesn't look like eInk, which would last for weeks or longer, since it does not require power at all to keep contents on the screen. However, I have to admit that their display is the most interesting part of the watch.

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They announced it would be actual gold. Just like for luxury gold watches.

I know, but for example, the 'champagne' (gold) color iPhone 6 is a very popular color in China. That's why I said it doesn't have to be actual gold.

Ah sorry, it sounded like you thought that was what they were doing. re-reading I get it now.

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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So far Pebble has raised $375k from angels, plus a $15M Series A (per Crunchbase). If they hadn't had any outside investors, I would definitely agree with you, but the VCs/Angels that invested in Pebble have to be loving the funding results of this Kickstarter. Tens of thousands of new and return customers pre-launch is always a good thing when launching a new product.

But you'll have to agree that after Pebble's Kickstarter sucess + the cash they got from it, they were in a much better bargaining position than your typical startup out to raise its first round. It's not perfect, but at least Pebble didn't have to fork over 10% of the company for a few hundred grand in cash to investors who brought nothing to the table (besides money)

Having tremendous success with their first Kickstarter likely helped them get favorable terms when they raised their series A, but that applies to any company, not just Pebble.

I don't know what the terms their Angel investors got before the Kickstarter, and I'm not familiar with what is 'normal' for SV angels to get. I do know that YC startups fork over ~10% of their company for a few hundred grand in cash, but YC brings a wide network of connections and social signaling for future capital raises to the table.

Even it was just cash and no YC connections, if I were thinking about starting a young hardware startup, (if it were offered), I'd still probably trade whatever % of my early stage startup for the few hundred grand necessary to be able to hire the handful of right people and get to the point where I had a 'good enough' prototype + software to take to Kickstarter and (hopefully) get enough cash pledged to manufacture and ship a v1 product.

Of course, you could work a day job and save back that necessary cash and then fund the startup yourself and keep 100% of the company. Or be already independently wealthy. Or be a savant and do all the work yourself. Or get a traditional bank loan. Or some combination of the above.

But the SV way of trading a relatively small percentage of your company for an initial cash infusion of a few hundred thousand dollars is a valid option that many people would love to have.

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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I think animated transitions are the skeuomorphism of 2015. Mind you, I'm technically impressed that an E-Ink display can now be animated, but I can't wait for the end of the animated UI boom.

Do you... Do you just desire UI to not be animated at all? that the next item in that list just appears at the top?

Do you just desire UI to not be animated at all?

In general, yes.

Here are some examples: MS Word (2013? I honestly have no idea what version I have installed what with the new UI) does a horizontal page-turn animation when viewing documents. It literally makes me nauseous, and I don't see any way to turn it off without entering document edit mode. Android's Camera app now starts up, shows the control buttons (video, camera), then animates them off the screen. They're not shown long enough for you to press one unless you're gunning for it, and you can't pull them back on screen until the animation finishes. Lollipop in general has a bunch of animations which exist solely for the sake of animations. If I pull a menu out, I want to immediately start using it, not wait for the slick, deceleration of the animation to finish before I can begin interacting.

It all reminds me of Vista's Aero interface. MS saw OS X, wanted translucency and drop-shadows, and implemented it in a completely useless manner that degraded usability.

Re: Introducing Pebble Time

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I think animated transitions are the skeuomorphism of 2015. Mind you, I'm technically impressed that an E-Ink display can now be animated, but I can't wait for the end of the animated UI boom.

Isn't the Pebble using E-Paper and not E-Ink? Wikipedia says the original Pebble used an 144×168 pixel Sharp Memory LCD ( http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/1-26-inch-memory-lcd.html )

Yes, I misread. So now I'm not really impressed with anything about the product. ;-)
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