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Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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> Eh, it's not "real" money Why not? It was real to the tax payers who paid it to the government and real to the Corinthian employees who were paid by the school and it will be real to the students as they struggle to pay it back over many years.

Because the Fed can add and remove dollars from the economy at will. See: Quantitive Easing with mortgage-backed bonds.

Is any money real money, by that logic?

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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So basically students enroll in a scam college to trick people into thinking they are well educated, and then complain when the scam is revealed. What's next, people who scam money from the elderly by pretending to be their grandchildren sue after only getting 25 cents with their birthday cards? I realize these colleges are also using high pressure sales tactics to trick vulnerable populations into enrolling and then…

>So basically students enroll in a scam college to trick people into thinking they are well educated, and then complain when the scam is revealed. I don't think so. There are colleges (mostly online and often postgraduate only) where the 'student' is in on the scam. They mostly serve markets where promotion or pay prospects are tied to box ticking possession of a masters or PhD with no real consideration of the acade…

I think that's a reasonable argument, although I would point out that being marks and being in on the con are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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To pay for someone's education someone else must be taxed. Why is it better to tax a working person for every student's education instead of just having that person pay for the exact education they received?

To pay for infrastructure repairs someone else must be taxed. Why is it better to tax a working person in order to repair roads instead of just having drivers pay for the proportion of roads that they use?

I don't see the problem with this?

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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A lot of countries have a free post secondary education system : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education#Partial_list_of... It always astonish me to think it can be seen as normal, even more equitable, to require people to get so huge debts before even being trained to work.

A sensible system would be one like Brazil's (and possibly other countries): free education at public universities for those who qualify on the stringent entrance exams along with a system of private universities for those who don't make it and can pay for it. This would allow all deserving students a high quality, free education while limiting the amount of waste and degree inflation that would result from a complet…

The political culture in the United States would attack that system as being unfair to the poor and minorities that ostensibly received a lesser education than their middle- and upper-class cohorts.

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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post #91

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Because the Fed can add and remove dollars from the economy at will. See: Quantitive Easing with mortgage-backed bonds.

Is any money real money, by that logic?

Technically no. Money is only real if 2 or more people believe it to be so.

Think about it. We exchange dollars, euros, bits, whatever all day long. Do you ever stop to think, "Why does this hold any value to me?" Its because someone else will accept it in exchange for goods or services.

The Onion, as always, captures this perfectly: http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-a...

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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I really can't stress enough how these for-profit institutions seek to avoid any kind of responsibility otherwise assumed of an institution of higher learning. They consistently take advantage of veterans. Close to home, these companies actively and willfully take advantage of veterans benefits to reap in billions [0]. These schools actively recruit soldiers at military bases, who end up using up a good portion (or all) of their benefit without being able to get a job or before they can transfer it to their children or spouse. They're left with no education benefit, a degree that isn't transferable and, perhaps worst of all, a feeling of failure and embarrassment. PBS did an excellent show on the situation not long ago [1]. The standard argument I hear in favor of these schools is that the situation in the military is different, and a lot of veterans leaving the force already have families so going to a traditional college or university would be difficult or unmanageable. This is true, but distance learning has to become better.

[0] http://fortune.com/2014/11/11/gi-bill-for-profit-colleges/ [1] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/gi-bill-benefitting-profit-co...

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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A lot of countries have a free post secondary education system : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education#Partial_list_of... It always astonish me to think it can be seen as normal, even more equitable, to require people to get so huge debts before even being trained to work.

A sensible system would be one like Brazil's (and possibly other countries): free education at public universities for those who qualify on the stringent entrance exams along with a system of private universities for those who don't make it and can pay for it. This would allow all deserving students a high quality, free education while limiting the amount of waste and degree inflation that would result from a complet…

The USA's education system of student debt is also addressing another important problem - quality leakage to a foreign country. Think about it, Brazil (or any other country with a similar system) invests heavily in training its bright people for free, and afterwards it just looses them to some high bid foreign employer and the country's education investment gets counted as waste. USA on the other hand, puts the yoke on its promising younglings early on, so regardless of the outcome, the country gets a profit out of them (and in a capitalist frame of thought that's what does mater the most). Clever, isn't it?

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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A lot of countries have a free post secondary education system : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education#Partial_list_of... It always astonish me to think it can be seen as normal, even more equitable, to require people to get so huge debts before even being trained to work.

A sensible system would be one like Brazil's (and possibly other countries): free education at public universities for those who qualify on the stringent entrance exams along with a system of private universities for those who don't make it and can pay for it. This would allow all deserving students a high quality, free education while limiting the amount of waste and degree inflation that would result from a complet…

> A sensible system would be one like Brazil's (and possibly other countries): free education at public universities for those who qualify on the stringent entrance exams along with a system of private universities for those who don't make it and can pay for it.

California used to have a multitier system of tuition-free higher-education (two tiers of tuition-free public university, both selective but one moreso than the other, plus the community college system) along with private universities, so it worked somewhat like that, but that eroded over time.

Re: Students refuse to pay back loans to failed for-profit college

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the Fed can add and remove dollars from the economy at will. See: Quantitive Easing with mortgage-backed bonds.

Is any money real money, by that logic?

Ok, so we have this common ground of thinking money isn't too real if it can be printed at will by central bankers. That's good.

Now ask yourself: what do central banks hoard? Whatever they hoard must be, at the very least, a more "real" kind of money than the money they print. Do they hoard diamonds? No. Do they hoard platinum? No. Do they hoard fine art? No. Do they hoard expensive wine? No. What do they hoard? Gold. And why do they hoard gold while publicly stating it's a useless and worthless metal? "Tradition", according to Ben Bernanke.

So if you believe our rulers, you can sleep sound in knowing nothing is real money, and the worthless stuff central banks hoard, they're doing it just because it's tradition. All this work of moving this stuff around the globe in armored planes and escorted ships, it's all for tradition, you see.

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