Firefox 36.0 released • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:48 PM UTC

izolate wrote: post #70

jherdman wrote: post #61

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome. A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In…

One minor grievance I have with the Firefox console is the input line is all the way at the bottom. I quite like Chrome's approach of starting at the top. Firefox has a few of these irritating UX quirks that I just can't get over. Having to restart after installing an extension is another. Every time I see the request, I can't help lose a bit of respect for it.

> One minor grievance I have with the Firefox console is the input line is all the way at the bottom. I quite like Chrome's approach of starting at the top.

This is such a small thing but it drives me insane (and keeps me on Chrome, among other things).

> Having to restart after installing an extension is another. Every time I see the request, I can't help lose a bit of respect for it.

Yeah, I've enjoyed the last few years with not having to worry about restarting idk if I could go back...

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:49 PM UTC

sauere wrote: post #4

Semi-OT: is anyone on HN using a "alternative" Browser such as Midori or Vivaldi on a daily basis? I love what Midori is doing but it still crashes on me to often.

Every time I consider using something like this I immediately snap back into my reality which, as a web developer, means I can't use browsers like this unless I want to use Chrome/FF for dev and a different browser for personal/browsing. At least for me these two overlap too much to do this.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joelthelion » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:51 PM UTC

How can you tell if you're using HTTP2?

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:52 PM UTC

WaltPurvis wrote: post #51

wbkang wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even Internet Explorer has been multi-process since IE8. All other browsers do it, except Firefox.

Which is one of the main reasons I still use Firefox.

Please explain this line of reasoning. As is it reads as "I still use Firefox because I like that 1 tab can bring down the the whole browser"

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by walkon » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:56 PM UTC

Good to see they fixed this security bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095859

A proxy could inject cookies on a 407 response and even bypass the authentication prompt - could have been used for session fixation attacks.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:57 PM UTC

sebnukem2 wrote: post #62

monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

I would start by thinning the crap that you probably have in the form of extensions... I've been running Firefox since 1.0 on all OSes and I can't remember it crashing on me once (it probably happened, a long time ago, but I honestly can't remember.)

I'd love to know what you do for a living.... As a web developer I've had more FF crashes than I can count. Chrome has extensions as well and I have WAY fewer crashes with Chrome, if "having extensions" im FF means that you can't complain about crashes then FF is useless as extensions are a MAJOR selling point.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by cauterized » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 4:58 PM UTC

jherdman wrote: post #61

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome. A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In…

FF's built-in developer tools are still pretty sad, but nothing quite compares to full-blown Firebug on Firefox. The only place anyone else's tools outdo it, IMO, is Chrome's profiling (Firebug's is nearly useless.)

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 5:01 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #43

monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted so much. I assume the usual FOSS fanboyism that rules HN. I used Chrome, IE11, and Firefox all day. FF is the only one that locks up and crashes on me. Its so rare in the other browsers I'm shocked when it happens in FF. I run almost no extensions and I think my copy at work has zero extensions and I don't even have flash installed, so the idea that it must be a plugin problem…

> FOSS fanboyism that rules HN.

It's this, people HATE when you criticize FF (as I found the other week when I got downvoted for raising, what I thought were, valid points about crashes, lockups, and not being multi-process). I upvoted you and your parent but it won't be enough to stem the tide of downvotes (this is probably going to get downvoted as well).

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by mmastrac » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 5:04 PM UTC

joelthelion wrote: post #83

How can you tell if you're using HTTP2?

In Firefox, HTTP responses using SPDY will have an added X-Firefox-Spdy header you can see in the inspector.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by sp332 » Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 5:07 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #84

WaltPurvis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is one of the main reasons I still use Firefox.

Please explain this line of reasoning. As is it reads as "I still use Firefox because I like that 1 tab can bring down the the whole browser"

Chrome chews through a lot of resources on my machine. Firefox is a lot lighter. And I think it will still be lighter since they're targeting a 2-process model instead of Chrome's (let me count) 17 that it just launched on startup.