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Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by jherdman »

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome.

A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In FF, I must not only have the tools open, but I must also be viewing the tab.

Another minor annoyance is the state of add-ons. It seems that new versions of the add-ons I use regularly are several versions behind their Chrome counterparts. And have you tried to develop an add-on? Wow. The docs are kind of harsh. They could really use a guided example.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by sebnukem2 »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

I would start by thinning the crap that you probably have in the form of extensions... I've been running Firefox since 1.0 on all OSes and I can't remember it crashing on me once (it probably happened, a long time ago, but I honestly can't remember.)

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by 01Michael10 »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #43
monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted so much. I assume the usual FOSS fanboyism that rules HN. I used Chrome, IE11, and Firefox all day. FF is the only one that locks up and crashes on me. Its so rare in the other browsers I'm shocked when it happens in FF. I run almost no extensions and I think my copy at work has zero extensions and I don't even have flash installed, so the idea that it must be a plugin problem…

>I also dont like how it switched on me from google to yahoo as my default search engine. If MS did this in IE people on HN would be losing their shit, but because this project is a FOSS darling, everyone just made excuses for it. At the very least it should have asked me if I wanted to change to whatever search engine pimp they've gotten into bed with this year.

No need for excuses, I use FF and my default search engine is Google. It was two "clicks" to change back but sorry if that was to dramatic for you. Most people realize Mozilla is not going to make someone's search engine the default for free and that contracts end.

People will complain about anything...

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by taf2 »

jherdman wrote: post #61

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome. A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In…

Also the detail provided is not as informative... I was recently migrating a website and while doing this needed to modify my local DNS. To verify the site still worked on the new infrastructure before putting all traffic. So, I was able to use the network tab in Chrome to confirm that I was loading the site from the new servers and not the old servers. In the network tab in Chrome it shows you the IP address of the requested site. Very useful when loading from multiple servers as well... I couldn't find the same information when trying in Firefox.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by icebraining »

iopq wrote: post #50
Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Session restore in Firefox has been lazy for a long time now (the tab only loads when you activate it). It doesn't take longer than loading a single page. How often do tabs crash for you? That's the real issue if you ask me. I'm on Nightly (with Electrolysis!) and the last crash was over 2 months ago.

I have a crash probably every day. Usual culprit is Flash.

That's weird, since Flash runs on its own process (plugin-container). Is it actually crashing the whole browser?

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by ep103 »

jherdman wrote: post #61

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome. A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In…

I assume you've already installed the web developer toolbar and firebug? FWIW, I do all my primary web development in FF, and don't have that network problem.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by agumonkey »

hackmiester wrote: post #56
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why's that added to the main program, though? I mean, there's extensions that do the same thing, right? (I'm sure others have made similar remarks about other features that were added over time that were originally in extensions)

I seem to recall that Readability required transmitting the page I was viewing to their servers, so I found myself avoiding it. I don't know if there were good alternatives, but I do have faith that Mozilla's will be good (although I haven't tried the nightly or anything), so I'm excited about that. Once I used it for a while, it felt like something a browser should just have.

Good point, also useful in and out of itself without being out of place (much less than webrtc audio chat)

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by msujaws »

iopq wrote: post #50
Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Session restore in Firefox has been lazy for a long time now (the tab only loads when you activate it). It doesn't take longer than loading a single page. How often do tabs crash for you? That's the real issue if you ask me. I'm on Nightly (with Electrolysis!) and the last crash was over 2 months ago.

I have a crash probably every day. Usual culprit is Flash.

You should go to about:support and use Refresh Firefox which will probably fix most of your crashes (outside of Flash-related ones which should only be affecting the plugin and not the browser).

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by izolate »

jherdman wrote: post #61

I'm presently in the middle of an experiment to use Firefox (and its Developer Edition) as my primary browser when performing my duties as a web developer. So far... It's been kind of rocky. Daily usage of the browser isn't that bad, but the developer tools are lacking compared to Chrome. A good example is the Network tab. In Chrome, I need only have the developer tools open to capture information about requests. In…

One minor grievance I have with the Firefox console is the input line is all the way at the bottom. I quite like Chrome's approach of starting at the top.

Firefox has a few of these irritating UX quirks that I just can't get over. Having to restart after installing an extension is another. Every time I see the request, I can't help lose a bit of respect for it.

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