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Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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Fascinating. Note to potential commenters: the same article just had a discussion thread which was flagkilled. Don't invest any energy or thought in your comment, as it's likely at risk of removal again.

We usually unkill flagkilled submissions that have ongoing discussions, so the discussion can continue. We've done so there.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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Misogyny in tech, example #547,423,842,763. Yet on cue the hard done-by privileged white males are coming out of the woodwork to whine.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem.

This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open to discussion, but this article does nothing to provoke discussion it only highlights its conclusion and does little to support the conclusion it came to.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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Misogyny in tech, example #547,423,842,763. Yet on cue the hard done-by privileged white males are coming out of the woodwork to whine.

It would be a cute statement we could get behind had it not been that we spent about 20 years of doing 14-20 hour days because it was expected of us before we got into the management. So now we kind of look at those that did not put in the time the same way we look at those that show up with their ITT Tech diplomas.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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The article begins by introducing Ana Redmond, who "launched into a technology career ... well-equipped to succeed ... In 2011, after 15 years, she left before achieving a management position." The article ends by telling us "Redmond now runs her own business making educational apps for children." I'm sorry, but how does founding a company that builds apps count as "leaving the tech industry"? I'm sure women face man…

Maybe it's just me but the article seemed pretty clear.

Women reach a glass ceiling within the IT industry and decide to leave. Some, like Ana, are lucky enough to startup their own business. But this would be the minority. Most middle aged people have mortgages, families etc that they need to provide for. "Hostile" male culture, a sense of isolation and lack of a clear career path seem like a pretty sad indictment on our industry.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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post #13

Misogyny in tech, example #547,423,842,763. Yet on cue the hard done-by privileged white males are coming out of the woodwork to whine.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem. This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open…

Go away

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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post #13

Misogyny in tech, example #547,423,842,763. Yet on cue the hard done-by privileged white males are coming out of the woodwork to whine.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem. This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open…

Did you read the article ? It clearly highlighted the problem. According to the Harvard study, they include a "hostile" male culture, a sense of isolation and lack of a clear career path.

Examples include: Redmond, now 40, didn't want to leave her tech career. But she felt stuck, with no way to advance ; Chou, "The continuous pattern of all these people treating me like I didn't know what was going on, or excluding me from conversations and not trusting my assertions, all these things added up and it felt like there was an undercurrent of sexism"

Frankly this dismissive "misogyny is everywhere" attitude is pretty unhelpful. It isn't everywhere and even if it were it implies that it is somehow endemic to our culture which it isn't. Many industries actively support and encourage women especially in senior management positions.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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Misogyny in tech, example #547,423,842,763. Yet on cue the hard done-by privileged white males are coming out of the woodwork to whine.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem. This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open…

I am.

I am explicitly arguing that not only that there is little to no misogyny it tech but even further, that the tech industry goes above and beyond to no be any of your favorite "- ists"

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem. This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open…

I am. I am explicitly arguing that not only that there is little to no misogyny it tech but even further, that the tech industry goes above and beyond to no be any of your favorite "- ists"

And you're therefore part of the problem. Congratulations.

Re: Women are leaving the tech industry in droves

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is arguing there isn't misogyny in tech. There is misogyny almost everywhere. It's been a part of our culture for a very long time and it will take time and continued efforts to solve the problem, but trying to determine which problems are the most obvious is part of the solution and does nothing to undermine the fact that there is a problem. This doesn't appear to highlight the problem. I'm open…

Go away

This is pretty much the worst possible way to respond to an opinion you seemingly disagree with.

Where is the misogyny you see? I, like many others, see where we work as equal opportunity environments and note that the same opinion is shared by those considered minorities. If you've been exposed to something different, that's fine and can be a relevant addition to a discussion that you're flat out refusing to have because you consider your views as objective.

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