I'm not unsympathetic, but this article seems like a hodgepodge of gripes in search of a premise. "These tech elites are like bankers, in the sense that they make a lot of money, and in no other sense. Also they're mostly men. And they control capital, if, uh, they own corporate shares. Plus, Moore's Law." Huh?
> hodgepodge of gripes in search of a premise Welcome to The Guardian's opinion pages, where everything is a source of outrage and the shadowy "1%" are always out to get you.
Google and tech’s elite are living in a parallel universe – John Naughton
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Re: Google and tech’s elite are living in a parallel universe – John Naughton
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And you will still die poor and miserable, because try as you might YOU CAN NOT TAKE this which I have and you don't. You will just never have it and I always will.
Enjoy your cake. While you can.
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Might makes right. If the rest of the world wants your cookies, then of course they can take it -- you'd either have to give it up or take a bullet to the head.
This is what you don't get, pal. The rest of the world may be able to get some of my cookies but they will NEVER have access to the COOKIE MACHINE because they are SHEEP. They just don't have it in them! Get it? You know what this means? It means I'll ALWAYS have my cookies and they will ALWAYS starve.
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No, that's how disgruntled people WANT it to be. Luckily, it isn't and it never will be.
I can look around me and see unemployed people voting, and I recall the top tax rate was once 90%. Where do you live?
You see stupid lazy bums pretending to be victims of the system, thinking someone owes them something and acting all righteous about it.
You see scum.
That's what you see.
And they are right where they're supposed to be.
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Good luck finding enough people who will be passionate about cleaning your office, or collecting your trash, or driving your Uber, or processing your DMV application, or building your new house, or stripping your old laptop for recycling, or making your Starbucks, or exterminating your pests, or cleaning your blocked sewer, or picking your fruit, etc etc. It sounds lovely to say we can all be passion workers, and of…
Good luck finding enough people who will be passionate about cleaning your office, or collecting your trash, or driving your Uber, or processing your DMV application, or building your new house, or stripping your old laptop for recycling, or making your Starbucks, or exterminating your pests, or cleaning your blocked sewer, or picking your fruit, etc etc. It sounds lovely to say we can all be passion workers, and of…
Driving cars is probably chief among these examples. I contend that we are not approaching a world where self-driving cars are going to be a super common thing in general purpose use. They make for a really impressive tech demo, and it's very cool that we've been able to solve as much of the problem space as we have, but any driver should be able to rattle off a list of dozens of odd little situations were you have to make a very fast decision that you're going to do something a little bit strange, to avoid doing something really really dumb (like, crashing, or causing a huge jam through inaction). A non-general purpose AI will always have to err on the side of caution - throwing up its hands and falling back to just avoiding any impacts and otherwise not moving - when it doesn't understand what is happening around it. My belief is that it will find itself in that situation a lot more than you might expect.
A lot of driving is just obeying some rules that are nearly almost true, which is where a dumb AI can shine, but the devil is in the details where the rules don't apply, or where the best courses of action are to temporarily disobey the rules, or where (I would argue most commonly), the rules have to be interpreted in combination with communication with other humans (which typically involves some kind of shared, but uncodified gestural or behavioural convention).
The only way these wide problem spaces can be handled by the AIs we are capable of creating (now and certainly in the near future) is to dramatically simplify them. If we rebuilt all the roads to be much more strictly defined, isolated and controlled, and replaced 100% of the human drivers with the a uniform driving AI, we could have self-driving cars next week.
I think the same principle applies to many of the manual jobs we have in society. Certainly not all, but enough that the idea that we're going to literally decimate the labour market in the next decade, seems silly to me.
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...except that 45% of the economy just got given back to the people, mitigating the shameful status quo. Now the regular folk run 95% of the economy. There's no issue of having rich people or not; its ok to be wealthy. Its not about punishing the rich. Its about them hoarding almost the entire pie.
Not almost. I will hoard THE entire pie and I will not feel ONE bit of shame about it, because it is MY PIE! You are the one who should be ashamed for wanting to steal from my pie just because you are incapable of baking your own.
There's also the aphorism about standing on the shoulder of giants (or indeed standing on tax created infrastructure.) That applies to all "pie" bakers.
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It is undeniable that the gap between poor and rich is increasing, especially in the US.
Is it undeniable? Last I heard there was a lot of noise from Picketty and Saez, which was based on fundamentally invalid and unsound scholarship . To put it in computing terms, it's on a par with benchmarking your software for performance improvements, but upgrading your laptop partway through and calling that a massive speedup. A one-time methodology change in the methodology of the census bureau's Current Populatio…
As far as I know, if you look at the richest one percent of the population, their wealth relative to the total has been increasing, while it has been decreasing for the poorest. At least I have not seen statistics supporting the contrary, hence my choice of words. See for example [1] (unfortunately it does not say whether it is before or after taxes).
You can argue about details of the methodology (for instance the many problems of the Gini coefficient), but I think it is fair to say that the trend is there.
By the way, don't you think that "partisans" is a bit tendentious?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Income_Dist...
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Enjoy your cake. While you can.
I will. Forever. And other than bitch about it until you drain the last drop of life out of yourself, YOU CAN'T DO SHIT ABOUT IT!
According to your profile your mission is apparently to write the 'most downvoted comments on HN', it looks like you're succeeding.
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Whether you like it or not, redistribution is the basis for most of the laws of my country (and certainly yours). It's not up to you or me, it's how the People think. In fact, that's what the OP is about. It is besides the point to know which side I am. In fact, I've just said tax complexity squashes new enterprises. I've written an article about how an entrepreneur in France loses 70% of his income in tax-and-admini…
Just because the majority think they are entitled to the 1%'s wealth, does not make it so. The French government might as well take 90% of that entrepreneur's wealth and "re-distribute" it to the so-called "People" (I call them "Sheep") and guess what? That one entrepreneur will still be wealthier than any of them and the "People" will still mumble. In other words, NOTHING will change.
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> [...] A tiny slice of us are now able to work with passion, on what we want to do. Like artists working on a song or a painting or a book, they do not draw a clear line between work and play. They're always working and always playing. [...] Yes and this lifestyle is simply unhealthy. Life should be your top priority, not work. Even artists sometimes need a break and care about different things then art itself.
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9089660