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Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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These guys aren't the brightest bulbs out there. You could even have it switch certificates on every reboot... or not do this in the first place. ;-)

> or not to do this in the first place. Are there other options besides installing my own root certificate? Assuming I want to write software that legitimately MITMs all HTTP and HTTPS traffic (parental control, ad blocker, anti-virus scan for webpages...). I want it to be browser independent and work with browsers that don't support extensions.

Well, it's basically impossible in some cases to MITM while showing the same certificate without re-building a browser. So your best bet would be to modify existing browsers. That said, if content modification isn't required -- and all you want to do is snoop on SSL, you can use SSLKEYLOGFILE in NSS-based browsers like Firefox and Chrome. If legitimate, I'd prefer going the extension route: people want you in their browser, so you can walk them through whatever it takes to install you, or provide pre-made profiles with you enabled. The point of encryption is to avoid spying and while most users (as evidenced here) don't actually check that the HTTPS website certificate is what it claims to be, pretending to be the same site is about all you can do to modify content and MITM. I'd also point out that the problem here isn't so much that they're MITMing as that they're doing it really, really poorly. Of course, any backdoor could be used by others -- even your SSLKEYLOGFILE. ;-)

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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Perhaps a legal right. The line between what computing should be done on what device is blurry in both directions -- it's not just "people do personal computing on corporate devices". It'd be a bit strange to hear a boss tell me to never browse Amazon or Hacker News during lunch.

I think it's wise to assume corporate-owned devices are just that: 0wned by corporations. I use my work laptop all the time for a variety of things, but I do so under the assumption that the company may be snooping on me. (No idea if they are or not.)

Exactly. It's a work machine, used for doing work. I don't do private/personal/secure things on it, as it's not my personal computer. Browsing HN or w/e isn't really a private activity, so I don't mind it being snooped.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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> or not to do this in the first place. Are there other options besides installing my own root certificate? Assuming I want to write software that legitimately MITMs all HTTP and HTTPS traffic (parental control, ad blocker, anti-virus scan for webpages...). I want it to be browser independent and work with browsers that don't support extensions.

Well, it's basically impossible in some cases to MITM while showing the same certificate without re-building a browser. So your best bet would be to modify existing browsers. That said, if content modification isn't required -- and all you want to do is snoop on SSL, you can use SSLKEYLOGFILE in NSS-based browsers like Firefox and Chrome. If legitimate, I'd prefer going the extension route: people want you in their b…

More so I haven't heard very convincing reasons for MiTM even in other settings, and certainly in this case that they choose not to be deployed as an add-on - has to do with avoiding detection and removal, which is malicious - and that's not only conjecture, they actually market themselves that way in places:

Komodia’s Watchdog

The Kernel protection watchdog is used to protect Komodia’s Redirector files from being deleted/modified, lsp from being uninstalled and also protects the main process will not be stopped.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

#154

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This. I can tell several stories of trying to set things up for my parents, only to have to call them/wait until I fly home next to fix something. Lessons have been learned the hard way on dumb email chains/anti-virus software, but trying to give them a list of browser settings (among other things) to do is getting to be too much. So, now what?

I'm in this situation too. We're at an impasse now too where my mom wants a new laptop. She doesn't want to learn anything new (Mac OS) and both she and I don't want to deal with Windows 8+. I'm skeptical about just installing Windows 7 on a newer laptop (...driver/hardware support). If I could get her to switch to Mac (she's in her 70s), I could set her up with a non-admin user account and set it up easily so that I…

I bought my mom a Chromebook under similar circumstances. She absolutely loves it, and had zero difficulty switching, whereas she was previously even uncomfortable turning laptops on or off.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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Correct, the firewall intercepts all traffic looking for potential compromises and blocks it. Given all these corporations getting hacked, such measures seem necessary.

Conclusion does not follow from premise. Once an attacker's code is running on machines that have access to sensitive data, you've already lost - there's no way to prevent it smuggling the data out in legitimate-looking requests. The right way is to stop the bad stuff getting in in the first place.

The goal is to slow them down, put as many barriers as possible allowing higher chances of detecting them. Intercepting and blocking known "phone home" messages is one way to slow them down.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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post #125

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I've convinced many people to do clean installs on new computers - my reasoning usually goes like "the software it comes with is suitable for demos in the store; when you start using it, you should clean that out and install your own." It used to be relatively easy to do a full reformat+install of the OS and drivers; not sure whether that's gotten easier or harder now.

If you buy a computer from the Microsoft Store it is guaranteed to have no crapware, trialware or any other junk on it. If you buy a computer from somewhere else and take it to the Microsoft Store they will place a clean operating system on it for $99. For technical people of course, it is no big deal to install the OS yourself, but I have to say it was nice getting my last HP notebook without a single thing I had to…

There was a time I would have balked at the idea of paying Microsoft $99 to ensure there was no crape are on a PC. Now it sounds like a decent value.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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Privilege escalation, even with UAC at its strictest, is trivial on Windows with the malware that's floating around these days. I worked full time for 5 of the last 6 years on Windows malware research. Windows is a swiss-cheese joke of an operating system that won't progress because of a(n at this point pathological) need for 20 years of backwards compatibility. Microsoft: make use of that XP mode VM and extend that…

Perhaps so, but at least it would keep some of the malware out. Another option would be to put her regular use to a VM that you control (remotely) and can restore to a clean state at any time...

I'd like to see some kind of way to lock the system for older folks. I'm tired of troubleshooting my dad's computer. He doesn't even do so much as adding bookmarks, his machine exclusively browses the web.

I'd like to get everything he needs installed and lock out modifications. Needs cookies obviously, but not much else.

Somehow he manages to have video player issues in every single browser that I can't figure out. He has to watch youtube in chrome, live streams in firefox, etc. It's really dumb. Buying him a chromecast improved it some, though, by avoiding it.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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I've convinced many people to do clean installs on new computers - my reasoning usually goes like "the software it comes with is suitable for demos in the store; when you start using it, you should clean that out and install your own." It used to be relatively easy to do a full reformat+install of the OS and drivers; not sure whether that's gotten easier or harder now.

If you buy a computer from the Microsoft Store it is guaranteed to have no crapware, trialware or any other junk on it. If you buy a computer from somewhere else and take it to the Microsoft Store they will place a clean operating system on it for $99. For technical people of course, it is no big deal to install the OS yourself, but I have to say it was nice getting my last HP notebook without a single thing I had to…

FWIW that's the "Signature Edition" of Windows. You can find them on Amazon too.

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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I'm really just curious & not malicious - is that string at the end of your post a hash of a key or of an exploit code?

Its probably the hash of their explanation of the exploit.

correct

Re: Browser Vulnerability to Superfish: A Fact-Finding Trip to Best Buy [pdf]

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While this whole Superfish/Lenovo thing is certainly quite scary, let's not forget the very important fact that, currently, the user ultimately still has the ability to modify the software on the machines he/she owns, which includes among other things (un)installing software like Superfish, and also adding/removing trusted certificates. There will be those who advocate locking down the certificate stores and other ar…

Welcome to the War over General-Purpose Computing. http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html The future really scares me. And yes, backlash from Superfish fiasco will probably only make things worse.

This is exactly what I thought (I spammed many of my friends with the link to the talk). I bet you that this (which is a step in the wrong direction) will trigger a something worse (a leap in the wrong direction to 'protect' consumers).
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