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Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by e12e »

scrollaway wrote: post #17
userbinator wrote: post #13

"Moving Forward" "achieved positive growth again and dramatically reset our global search strategy" Did anyone else find those phrases to be a bit too much corporatese for Mozilla?

"achieved positive growth" is pretty self-explanatory. "dramatically reset the global search strategy" is a bit weirder but they are (most likely) talking about their search deal with Google which they terminated in favour of Yahoo! and yes, that is a pretty dramatic reset. If you don't want to read corporatese, well, don't read a corporate blog. Mozilla is a great company and a great presence for the web, but Mozill…

> "achieved positive growth" is pretty self-explanatory.

Sure, but it's Corporatese for "grew".

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by 5beard »

userbinator wrote: post #13

"Moving Forward" "achieved positive growth again and dramatically reset our global search strategy" Did anyone else find those phrases to be a bit too much corporatese for Mozilla?

Less than 1 year ago, when I read Mitchell Baker vapid statement about Brendan Eich's "resignation" I realized that Mozilla has essentially become a show run by politicians who seem intent on delivering political correctness rather than good software. That Firefox will go down the drain from this point seems fairly likely, and the first signs are already emerging.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by gsnedders »

gpvos wrote: post #51
hackuser wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "achieved positive growth again ... My understanding from reading Mozilla people, and from my own intuition, is that without significant market power for Firefox, Mozilla loses influence for all its priorities, including the open web, end-user control, etc. Firefox's market share is very important to Mozilla, to everyone who shares Mozilla's priorities, and to everyone affected by them (which might be, simply, "eve…

Then they should have written "increased our market share again". Growth in corporatese usually refers to revenue or profit, which is not the main point here. Confusing choice of words.

And it's important to remember that increasing your userbase isn't enough to increase your marketshare — Opera, at least until Chropera shipped, was increasing userbase month after month, yet marketshare was falling. The number of people using the web continues to grow!

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by ironsides »

scrollaway wrote: post #20
ironsides wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Longtime user -- I was on the Netscape 4.3, then 7.1, Kmeleon project, then Phoenix, then Firdbird, then Firefox? I cant keep up. With that being said, Mozilla has been (in my mind) the pro consumer, pro internet org to challenge the establishment. So far, its worked wonders -- we have a diverse ecosystem, new burning edge interfaces and plugin market places to boot. The partnership with the Tor project gave…

> Longtime user -- I was on the Netscape 4.3, then 7.1, Kmeleon project, then Phoenix, then Firdbird, then Firefox? I cant keep up. You named 5 things that happened in the span of 3 years over 12 years ago, and one that has been around for a decade. I'm pretty sure you can in fact keep up. > Where is the heart? The direction? The challenge? Please.

/hate -- That was more or less intended to qualify that I wasn't some hit and run commentator talking out of my ass, but a passionate mozillian that has done my fair share of bugzilla triage.

What else you got? Something about the cloud? Add in a few more buzzwords and throw it under the /corporate blog then apologize for it.

I'd love to see some clarity, direction, and a genuine plan for impact in the future. Not a knee jerk deal with a failed search engine paired with some bumbling about consolidation, mergers and yes, the cloud. There is plenty of that type of 'news' on Forbes.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by Osmose »

weland wrote: post #52
Osmose wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I was trying to clear up was that mozilla.org is our standard domain regardless of what's being posted, and thus there was no conscious decision to put "corporate speak" on a .org domain. I dunno exactly why this decision was made, but I'm almost certain having .com and .org both in active use would be really confusing for users (is it addons.mozilla.com? addons.mozilla.org?) and, to a lesser extent, our ops and…

I don't really think the problem is that "it's a .org" domain. But this is posted in what's essentially a place where a lot of people who understand why "positive growth" is not only wrong, but a load of brainwashed crap, spend quite some time :). Phrases like those belong in press releases, not a blog post from an organization intelligent people respect.

> a lot of people who understand why "positive growth" is not only wrong, but a load of brainwashed crap

I mean it's sort've a redundant term, but in context (positive growth of Firefox users, something that has been falling for a while now) it makes perfect sense to me. What did you think he was saying?

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by olog-hai »

userbinator wrote: post #13

"Moving Forward" "achieved positive growth again and dramatically reset our global search strategy" Did anyone else find those phrases to be a bit too much corporatese for Mozilla?

Corporatese is nothing new on Mozilla's blogs, unfortunately. See this DF post from last year for another example: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/02/16/mozilla

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by weland »

Osmose wrote: post #65
weland wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really think the problem is that "it's a .org" domain. But this is posted in what's essentially a place where a lot of people who understand why "positive growth" is not only wrong, but a load of brainwashed crap, spend quite some time :). Phrases like those belong in press releases, not a blog post from an organization intelligent people respect.

> a lot of people who understand why "positive growth" is not only wrong, but a load of brainwashed crap I mean it's sort've a redundant term, but in context (positive growth of Firefox users, something that has been falling for a while now) it makes perfect sense to me. What did you think he was saying?

> I mean it's sort've a redundant term

Sort of a meaningless term?

How about we replace it with "negative decrease"?

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