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Forget physical pain. Opiates make the mental pain, the pain of existence go away. Stress, business problems, finances, it's all manageable with opiates. Most people don't know just how much better human existence can be with a bit of tweaking to our chemistry. We accept we're no longer in our ancestral environment, why can't we accept that our default chemistry is suboptimal?

Suboptimal in what way? We create, develop, improve because we are unsatisfied, not because we are happy.

The pain of wanting is a very powerful pain. This is why the road to enlightenment requires you to give up your want.

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I'm just gonna be lazy and link to what I wrote the last time the Rat Park page came up on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7743089 It comes up a lot, maybe because the result is kind of positive and aligns well with HN's crowds drug liberal views? The RP experiment wrt morphine addiction in mice has not been replicated. Also, afaik, Bruce Alexander had a hypothesis about drug addiction, designed an experimen…

> lso, afaik, Bruce Alexander had a hypothesis about drug addiction, designed an experiment to prove his hypothesis. Performed the experiment, measured the results and found that they confirmed his hypothesis. Uh, what? This is the definition of science. > Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proofs. That mice wouldn't become addicted to morphine is most certainly an extraordinary claim. So says you. Also, ext…

An extraordinary claim is a claim with a low prior probability. Observation of various approaches to drug policy and the associated levels of drug addiction don't seem consistent with the Rat Park hypothesis being an extraordinary claim.
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